Can Ember replace Nenio's role?

[Etxxu]

Hi!!

I took Nenio because everyone said It was funnier and great at banters and talks... But she is pretty límited... All her talks are the same: copying Sheldon Cooper (character who I never enjoyed in the show) and saying "sorry, I don't care sonI wasn't listening"... But I am thinking to replacing her with Ember that I like her more...

The problem is that I use Nenio for buffs like Haste... Could Ember do this role or her class makes her and offensive mage?

Thank you so much!

[Tyrendian89]

Anyone can get access to Haste, because characters aren't locked into a single class. That said, Ember's default class does not get it.

[tiamats4esgares]

I have the opposite problem. I love Ember's class but hate her personality; I love Nenio's personality but hate her class. lol

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Tyrendian89:

Anyone can get access to Haste, because characters aren't locked into a single class. That said, Ember's default class does not get it.

So Ember could not learn haste, Slow etcétera, from scroll? S***...

How can I know the spells per class? I have searched Scroll Savant and in the WoTR wiki and doesn't appear the spells

Will It work multi Ember to Transmutation Wizard as sooner as I can? With Respec I mean

[Drake]

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Originally posted by Tyrendian89:

Anyone can get access to Haste, because characters aren't locked into a single class. That said, Ember's default class does not get it.

So Ember could not learn haste, Slow etcétera, from scroll? S***...

How can I know the spells per class? I have searched Scroll Savant and in the WoTR wiki and doesn't appear the spells

scroll savant is a wizard archetype, so it uses the wizard spell list.

The spell lists are like this.

Wizard spell list : wizard, sorcerer, magus (eldritch scoundrel rogue archetype is equivalent to a magus for spells), arcanist (with the default archetype), bloodrager (for magus and bloodrager they don't have high level spells since they are not full casters).

Cleric spell list : cleric, warpriest and oracle (warpriest is not a full caster, so max at lv 6).

Druid spell list : druid and hunter (hunter stops at level 6 since it's not a full caster).

Shaman, witch and bard spell lists have their own unique spell list which are a mix of either druid and cleric, or wizard and cleric.

Rangers and paladins use a custom version of the cleric and druid list respectively with the addition of unique spells.

That said, if you need haste, woljif can also do it, if you have him in the party. Then you could just use scrolls, it's just as effective since it's just a buff (have nenio craft some if you need more powerful versions).

My first playthrough on core was a full divine party (2 oracles, a shaman, a ranger and 2 fighters), so no haste, scrolls worked just fine.

As for respec, ember has high charisma, so you want to respec her as a sorcerer, not a wizard.

[Schlumpsha]

You can find the Witch spell list here[pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com]. Suffice to say the tables differ vastly from Wizards such as Nenio. So while Ember could learn any spell from scrolls that are part of her class's spell book, she can't learn spells from scrolls that are outside of it. Including Hate and Slow.

Only way a pure Witch can learn Haste is by choosing the Agility patron. But since Ember's archetype gives up any and all Witch patrons in favor for Oracle curses, Ember won't have access to said spell period. Or at least not without a full respec (which can only be done via mods).

Alternatively you could multiclass her into the Loremaster prestige class and pick any one Wizard spell you want for her to have.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Etxxu:

So Ember could not learn haste, Slow etcétera, from scroll? S***...

How can I know the spells per class? I have searched Scroll Savant and in the WoTR wiki and doesn't appear the spells

scroll savant is a wizard archetype, so it uses the wizard spell list.

The spell lists are like this.

Wizard spell list : wizard, sorcerer, magus (eldritch scoundrel rogue archetype is equivalent to a magus for spells), arcanist (with the default archetype), bloodrager (for magus and bloodrager they don't have high level spells since they are not full casters).

Cleric spell list : cleric, warpriest and oracle (warpriest is not a full caster, so max at lv 6).

Druid spell list : druid and hunter (hunter stops at level 6 since it's not a full caster).

Shaman, witch and bard spell lists have their own unique spell list which are a mix of either druid and cleric, or wizard and cleric.

Rangers and paladins use a custom version of the cleric and druid list respectively with the addition of unique spells.

That said, if you need haste, woljif can also do it, if you have him in the party. Then you could just use scrolls, it's just as effective since it's just a buff (have nenio craft some if you need more powerful versions).

My first playthrough on core was a full divine party (2 oracles, a shaman, a ranger and 2 fighters), so no haste, scrolls worked just fine.

As for respec, ember has high charisma, so you want to respec her as a sorcerer, not a wizard.

Sorcerer uses charisma?

Sorcerers has haste and Slow?

Will she start the sorcerer spellbook at lvl 1 or the last lvl got on Witch?

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

You can find the Witch spell list here[pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com]. Suffice to say the tables differ vastly from Wizards such as Nenio. So while Ember could learn any spell from scrolls that are part of her class's spell book, she can't learn spells from scrolls that are outside of it. Including Hate and Slow.

Only way a pure Witch can learn Haste is by choosing the Agility patron. But since Ember's archetype gives up any and all Witch patrons in favor for Oracle curses, Ember won't have access to said spell period. Or at least not without a full respec (which can only be done via mods).

Alternatively you could multiclass her into the Loremaster prestige class and pick any one Wizard spell you want for her to have.

So a Witch can't learn haste or Slow from scrolls? Can a Sorcerers do It?

Better multiclass her to Loremaster or to Sorcerer?

[Schlumpsha]

Originally posted by Etxxu:

So a Witch can't learn haste or Slow from scrolls?

Yes

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Can a Sorcerers do It?

No. They can cast spells from scrolls. But cannot learn new spells from scrolls.

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Better multiclass her to Loremaster or to Sorcerer?

Loremaster would be better. You need at least 6 levels of Sorcerer to learn Haste. Loremaster can get it at first prestige class level via Wizard Spell Secret.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Originally posted by Etxxu:

So a Witch can't learn haste or Slow from scrolls?

Yes

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Can a Sorcerers do It?

No. They can cast spells from scrolls. But cannot learn new spells from scrolls.

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Better multiclass her to Loremaster or to Sorcerer?

Loremaster would be better. You need at least 6 levels of Sorcerer to learn Haste. Loremaster can get it at first prestige class level via Wizard Spell Secret.

Then, If Wich can learn haste, Slow and the others from scrolls, isn't It better to keep as Witch?

To haste as sorcerer I would have to level 6 lvls of sorcerer or, as Ember came at lvl 3 with 3 lvls of Sorcerer (6 lvls in tota) would be enough?

[Schlumpsha]

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Then, If Wich can learn haste, Slow and the others from scrolls, isn't It better to keep as Witch?

They can't. That's the thing.

Originally posted by Etxxu:

To haste as sorcerer I would have to level 6 lvls of sorcerer or, as Ember came at lvl 3 with 3 lvls of Sorcerer (6 lvls in tota) would be enough?

You'd need to get her to Sorcerer 6th level. That makes her Witch 3rd level, Sorcerer 6th level to a total of 9 levels.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Then, If Wich can learn haste, Slow and the others from scrolls, isn't It better to keep as Witch?

They can't. That's the thing.

Originally posted by Etxxu:

To haste as sorcerer I would have to level 6 lvls of sorcerer or, as Ember came at lvl 3 with 3 lvls of Sorcerer (6 lvls in tota) would be enough?

You'd need to get her to Sorcerer 6th level. That makes her Witch 3rd level, Sorcerer 6th level to a total of 9 levels.

S*** then maybe Its not a good option to replace Nenio for her... But I really can't stand Nenio with ther unique and repetitive banter about "I don't care because that's not science"

[Immortal Reaver]

Put points into UMD skill for Ember, have Nenio scribe a lot of Haste scrolls (every time you rest at HQ you have access to all party members, at act 3 there is no time limit so you can scribe a lot). You can also pick Extend Metamagic and scribe Extended Haste as a scroll.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Put points into UMD skill for Ember, have Nenio scribe a lot of Haste scrolls (every time you rest at HQ you have access to all party members). You can also pick Extend Metamagic and scribe Extended Haste as a scroll.

You can metamagic scrolls? :0

But there is a lot spells and scribing scrolls doesn't seem to be an option

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Etxxu:

You can metamagic scrolls? :0
But there is a lot spells and scribing scrolls doesn't seem to be an option

Do you mean that there are a lot of spells you want so issue is with resources/time?
Or that you do not know how to scribe scrolls?
If it is second, then during rest below cooking is scroll scribing, put Nenio in it, have Scribing Kit III (Kit IV for extended Haste) and rest. You can scribe all learned spells.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Originally posted by Etxxu:

You can metamagic scrolls? :0
But there is a lot spells and scribing scrolls doesn't seem to be an option

Do you mean that there are a lot of spells you want so issue is with resources/time?
Or that you do not know how to scribe scrolls?
If it is second, then during rest below cooking is scroll scribing, put Nenio in it, have Scribing Kit III (Kit IV for extended Haste) and rest. You can scribe all learned spells.

That there is just too much spells that I need that I couldn't scribe enough scrolls, so maybe Its a better option to multi

[Azure]

Ember always has a place in my Party, aside from the first time i played Nenio is always replaced by a Brown Fur Transmuter who does everything i want of an arcane caster without the inane chatter.