**BUG** Magic Vestment Not Working

[gmwaddington]

Magic Vestment is also not working. Casting on an animal companion with Bracers of Armor gives no bonus.

[.O.]

magic vestment doesn't work on bracers

fairly sure that's just for body armor or shields

[mudakonn]

Works fine with my horse with light barding

[Uzkin]

Originally posted by gmwaddington:

Magic Vestment is also not working. Casting on an animal companion with Bracers of Armor gives no bonus.

Only the best armor enhancement bonus counts. If, for example, you have an armor with a +4 enhancement bonus and your Magic Vestment provides only a +3 enhancement bonus, then the latter would have no effect since it is smaller than the existing bonus.

[Yannir]

You need barding, armor or a shield to cast it on. If your character isn't wearing any, it is working as intended.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by Yannir:

You need barding, armor or a shield to cast it on. If your character isn't wearing any, it is working as intended.

No, you don't. The spell can be cast on clothing as well in WotR, Kingmaker and tabletop. And since there isn't "regular clothing" in the computer games they made it so you could cast it on animal companions, characters and companions that don't wear armor.

Since they fixed it so that it doesn't stack with the enhancement bonus with enchanted armor and shields it no longer seems to be working on animal companions without barding or characters without armor at all. I know it isn't working on my triceratop or any character.

[gmwaddington]

It doesn't add any bonus to any of my characters, regardless of what they're wearing.

[Uzkin]

Originally posted by gmwaddington:

It doesn't add any bonus to any of my characters, regardless of what they're wearing.

Wear a piece of non-magical armor, i.e. one of those trash items with a price less than 100. Remove bracers just in case. Note AC. Cast Magic Vestment:Armor, and you should see an increase in AC.

[Chester]

I've been noticing the same thing. I think it has to do with noting the "enhancement" of the armor and buff stacking. If Magic Vestment gives +2 and the armor has +3 then it won't do anything. I don't think this used to be the case, which is probably why it's catching people (and me) by surprise. The mechanics of it may have changed with the enhanced edition.

[mudakonn]

Funny thing that vestment only supplements the enchantments but magic weapon greater adds to it.

[Jiroa]

The way they "Fiixed" vestment is that before it targeted your character and that caused it to stack whit enchantments on your gear but now it applies a bonus to the piece of gear itself so it no longer works if there's no valid piece a gear to target.

TLDR all classes that can cast vestment now have 10 less total AC in the end game.

[Uzkin]

Originally posted by mudakonn:

Funny thing that vestment only supplements the enchantments but magic weapon greater adds to it.

Yeah, changing how Magic Vestment works but at the same time not touching Magic Weapon, is nonsensical.

Are Magic Vestment and Magic Weapon(G) supposed to work like they do in PnP and, therefore, be useless? Then Magic Weapon(G) should be changed as well.

Are Magic Vestment and Magic Weapon(G) supposed to be useful? Then Magic Vestment should be changed back to how it was.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by chester.longdon:

I've been noticing the same thing. I think it has to do with noting the "enhancement" of the armor and buff stacking. If Magic Vestment gives +2 and the armor has +3 then it won't do anything. I don't think this used to be the case, which is probably why it's catching people (and me) by surprise. The mechanics of it may have changed with the enhanced edition.

That is how the spell is actually suppose to function. It gives an enchantment bonus of X. If X is larger then the bonus on the item, then the bonus on the item becomes X. If smaller, it does nothing. It was never suppose to be additive or (the way it was working) an additional effect.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by Uzkin:

Originally posted by mudakonn:

Funny thing that vestment only supplements the enchantments but magic weapon greater adds to it.

Yeah, changing how Magic Vestment works but at the same time not touching Magic Weapon, is nonsensical.

Are Magic Vestment and Magic Weapon(G) supposed to work like they do in PnP and, therefore, be useless? Then Magic Weapon(G) should be changed as well.

Are Magic Vestment and Magic Weapon(G) supposed to be useful? Then Magic Vestment should be changed back to how it was.

Neither greater magic weapon or magic vestment are useless in PnP. In my present group our characters are lvl 13. My character is a fighter and their primary weapon only has a +1 enchantment bonus. None of the other two weapon users have a weapon with higher then a +1 although all have different weapon enchantments (viscious, elemental damage, keen, raging). So greater magic weapon gives us an additional +2 to hit and damage for the day. Armor enchantments are a bit cheaper in tabletop so most of us have at least a +2, some a +3. Have to remember that in tabletop, characters are money starved compared to a game like Kingmaker or WotR.

We do cast magic vestment on the ranger's pet, which helps since it only has a +1 mithril chainshirt. But since opponent's BAB scales a lot faster then our armor bonuses can keep up with, yeah, Magic Vestment isn't a great spell. But with it not working on clothing/animal companions in WotR it has become nearly pointless since almost none of the low +enchantment armors/shields are worth keeping just to bring their bonus up with magic vestment.

[Uzkin]

I didn't say Magic Vestment was useless in PnP. I said that it is useless in this cRPG if it works the way it does in PnP. This is because magic items are more abundant here.

[Jiroa]

Originally posted by Uzkin:

I didn't say Magic Vestment was useless in PnP. I said that it is useless in this cRPG if it works the way it does in PnP. This is because magic items are more abundant here.

Pretty much, unless you are a merged spell caster your caster level will always be too low to be able to supply a item whit a bonus bigger then what you can find or buy around that level.