Magus/multiclass Questions

[BulletFaith]

When does a normal Magus gets its level 3 spells? the wiki doesn't explain it well

And second , what do you guys think of a Magus/Rogue/Duelist?
I was thinking to get 1 level on rogue for the backstab , 1 level in duelist for the ac and the int/Damage when i get to 6 BAB and the rest would be in Magus. My main character as high dex and high Int.

So far am level 5 Magus and 1 rogue and she hit like a beast with frigid touch and shocking grasp (backstab applies to my hit ,i also took the better backstab feat)

[Conquista]

at level 7 magus gets level 3 spells
depending on which magus subclass you play, these dips might be unnecassary

[CHAO$$$]

You can see when classes get new spells by going into the detailed view and then theres the tiny numbers on top of the class progression that indicate when you get spellsranks.

You can also right click on them to preview spelllists and even preview individual spells by right clicking the spells on the list.

[BulletFaith]

Bump since my second question was glazed over.

[B Unit]

I dont recommend taking the 1 level of Duelist as its bonuses are restricted by Duelist level - it isn't like Monk AC bonus. 1 level of Duelist would only get you 1 AC and 1 bonus damage. Not worth the prerequisites. Taking a level of Rogue is debatable. You'll get a sneak attack die but you will give up a BAB as a rogue doesnt get their first BAB till level 2.

[CHAO$$$]

If you want to dip then go for 1 vivisectionist (viv replaces rogue dip, gives sneak + mutagen and mutagen is bonkers), 1 demonslayer (ranger), and either a class that gets stat to AC (e.g. monk) or 2 paladin (for cha to smite and saves).

16 levels of magus give you transformation which is a spell that you absolutely do want to cast. Sword Saint is the the overall best magus.

Duelist is dudu. Sword Saint gives int to ac/level as well.

[BulletFaith]

Originally posted by sweetchilliheat:

I dont recommend taking the 1 level of Duelist as its bonuses are restricted by Duelist level - it isn't like Monk AC bonus. 1 level of Duelist would only get you 1 AC and 1 bonus damage. Not worth the prerequisites. Taking a level of Rogue is debatable. You'll get a sneak attack die but you will give up a BAB as a rogue doesnt get their first BAB till level 2.

So you are saying if i have fencing grace feat and a +4 Dex modifier and a level 1 duelist/lv with a +4 Inteligence modifier , i won't be doing +8 damage but only +5. Maybe i readed the class wrong

[B Unit]

If you're set on getting a sneak attack, you may also want to consider taking 1 level of Stigmatized Witch. With it you get all these.

Wolf Scarred Face curse: Free permanent bite attack with no downside. Boosted by sneak attack and modifiers

Nails Hex - Permanent off hand claw attack that also gains from sneak attack and modifiers
or
Iceplant Hex - Permanent 2 AC

Familiar - I like the Lizard for the +1 AC but you can take your pick

Mage Armor spell - As Magus don't learn this themselves

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by BulletFaith:

Originally posted by sweetchilliheat:

I dont recommend taking the 1 level of Duelist as its bonuses are restricted by Duelist level - it isn't like Monk AC bonus. 1 level of Duelist would only get you 1 AC and 1 bonus damage. Not worth the prerequisites. Taking a level of Rogue is debatable. You'll get a sneak attack die but you will give up a BAB as a rogue doesnt get their first BAB till level 2.

So you are saying if i have fencing grace feat and a +4 Dex modifier and a level 1 duelist/lv with a +4 Inteligence modifier , i won't be doing +8 damage but only +5. Maybe i readed the class wrong

There is no int to damage for duelist that i am aware of.
I think you mean precise strike?
That should read:
A duelist gains the ability to strike precisely with a light or one-handed piercing weapon, adding her duelist level to her damage roll.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/core-rulebook/duelist/

[BulletFaith]

Ok i readed the class again ,it is indeed a +1 damage and ac per duelist level , to get the build i want i would have to put 4 level in duelist...

What a bummer

[malkavius77]

I am not a huge fan of multiclassing magus. The exception usually being 4 dragon disciple eldritch scion or just taking dips of the eldritch archer. They are typically much stronger as a full class especially since you stay at level 20 a lot longer in this compared to kingmaker.

Duelist is a trap class. Sounds cool and looks cool on paper, but it really isn't that great unless you really want to play it.

[BulletFaith]

Thanks for the response guys, ill forget about the duellist multi classing with magus . I won't go sword saint magus because of no armour and less spells availability . If any of you can think of a better build let me know. So far am level 6 magus and 1 rogue. I find the back-stab amazing for my magus,she is the hardest hitting character in my party by far.
Am playing on core difficulty btw

[jsaving]

If you want a magus with precision damage, I'd personally go scion since you can ultimately access 5d6 sneak through sense vitals. You can even go arcane bloodline to grab sense vitals at 9th level, picking abyssal as your second (mythic) bloodline. If you do that then you're not as dependent on reaching 19th level as scion and have the flexibility to splash other sneak classes like rogue if you wanted to, while still doing the conventional 1-level scaled fist splash.

[Conquista]

i find the best magus subclass for multiclassing is armored battlemage, because that one is pretty bad