Rate the myth paths

[Xan84]

Ok, so I am curious but is there someone with some lore knowledge that can make something of a list on what is more powerful (lore point of view) from the available myth paths?

[Darx]

Originally posted by MAIN HERO:

Originally posted by Darx:

must be aeon or trickster.
aeon can time travel and trickster reshape reality.

You sure about that? Floating island/havoc dragon and the song of elysium that seems to have no limits on it's power.

aeon travels back in time and kills you before you even have any mythic powers.
how is a floating island helping you then?
trickster is harder to judge but his powers are similar to lantern kings. he just tells you have no powers and they vanish or something along those lines. heck he could most likely even make your dragon think you are the enemy. for him there are probably multiple ways to do it.

[Storm]

Originally posted by Darx:

Originally posted by MAIN HERO:

You sure about that? Floating island/havoc dragon and the song of elysium that seems to have no limits on it's power.

aeon travels back in time and kills you before you even have any mythic powers.
how is a floating island helping you then?
trickster is harder to judge but his powers are similar to lantern kings. he just tells you have no powers and they vanish or something along those lines. heck he could most likely even make your dragon think you are the enemy. for him there are probably multiple ways to do it.

Too many restrictions on Aeon time travel/powers Elysium powers can end up being pretty much anything. Chaotic = freedom. But it's hard to compare as technically an end goal(s) of a mythic mc would matter even lore wise.

[Darx]

Originally posted by MAIN HERO:

Originally posted by Darx:

aeon travels back in time and kills you before you even have any mythic powers.
how is a floating island helping you then?
trickster is harder to judge but his powers are similar to lantern kings. he just tells you have no powers and they vanish or something along those lines. heck he could most likely even make your dragon think you are the enemy. for him there are probably multiple ways to do it.

Too many restrictions on Aeon time travel/powers Elysium powers can end up being pretty much anything.

azata wouldnt be very low but he would just not be somewhere at the top.
i would rank it like this:
1. aeon (IF he can use his time travel, otherwise pretty low)
2. trickster
3. legend (IF we go by the CR pathfinder rules, if not he would be last place)
4. azata (only IF we group him with his dragon, othewise somwhere with angel/demon)
5. gold dragon
6. angel/demon/devil (devil might be a bit higher than angel/demon)
7. lich
8. swarm

[Rednal]

Originally posted by MAIN HERO:

Azata? fits in where?

With the other outsiders. In regular lore, Azata are the Chaotic Good outsiders. They're not weak - no Outsiders are, really - but they're not distinctly or unusually strong. I would generally put them below Aeons (who benefit from demigod powers, albeit fragmented), and on par with Angels, Devils, and Demons. ...Angels might be slightly higher than the others, as there's one particular angelic race (Empyrean Paragons) that's even stronger than demon lords (usually) are, though they usually don't qualify as demigods because they don't grant spells or stuff like that. If we're using CR as a metric, Empyrean Paragons can go up to CR 30.

[Xan84]

I noticed some people did not understand what I meant by "lore point of view". I mean from a story point of view, not game mechanics or something similar. How powerful would you be if you would turn into a demon compared to an angel (as an example) from a story point of view and how powerful this characters would be in Pathfinder lore. Obviously we are ignoring the secret path as that would make it clear what is the most powerful.

Aside for that, nice points you guys broth up, had fun reading trough them, did not even consider trickster would be that up high in power.

[Foefaller]

Worth noting that some of the things your character does is waaay beyond the power of a normal (or sometimes even exceptional) member of their kind is capable of, especially if you take some of the potential endings/epilogues into account.

Like, Azata's endings might not be the most impressive in a destructive or reality-warping sense, but using their floating island to instantly terraform the Worldwound into a mini-Elysium would be jaw-dropping if it was pulled off by most demigods, much less a mortal with mythic powers.

[Foefaller]

Originally posted by Xan84:

I noticed some people did not understand what I meant by "lore point of view". I mean from a story point of view, not game mechanics or something similar. How powerful would you be if you would turn into a demon compared to an angel (as an example) from a story point of view and how powerful this characters would be in Pathfinder lore. Obviously we are ignoring the secret path as that would make it clear what is the most powerful.

Aside for that, nice points you guys broth up, had fun reading trough them, did not even consider trickster would be that up high in power.

Trickster does get an ending where they sacrifice themselves, before changing their minds partway through the epilogue after they are already dead to not do that and turn the worldwound into a crossroad of the planes, and then becoming one of Shyka's personas to invite themselves into the secret club/council you get into at the start of Act 3

As their blurb says when you first pick your path, the laws of reality has no sway over you anymore.

[Conquista]

i also think trickster would be the strongest, he can pretty much break every rule, the only one who could face him would be aeon as long trickster breaks rules
aeon against then other mythic path could not do much as long they follow the rules, so aoen is pretty situational

angel, demon, azata and devil are all these powerful beings from other planes
lich, swarm and gold dragon look for me like "normal" existing creatures living on golarion

not sure about legend, martial he is unbeaten, spell wise limited compared to other mythic paths

[JustSmile]

Lore-wise...

Aeon is the cosmic anti-virus. If things go against the order of creation, an Aeon is created, handles it, and then disappears. On one hand even gods are subject to an Aeon's judgement, on the other they're bereft of will and agency, they're automatons.

Trickster is hard to place. It seems to be a variant of an Elder? It's a reality bender for whom the world is the punchline. I strongly suspect your powers come directly from Shyka considering what is revealed during the path, which places a Trickster at demigod level.

Azata, Angel, Demon and Devil are the same - plane-bound outsiders who at height of available power are functionally demigods and at the lowest an irrelevant afterthought. A wide spectrum.

Legend is absurd. 40 levels places you in the territory of hunting demigods for fun.

A Lich is just a spellcaster who managed to attain "immortality" through elaborate suicide and mutilation of their own soul. Definitely a lower power ceiling than either outsiders or trickster, but a powerful wizard or sorcerer is the kind of personage who shapes Golarion's history for millennia.

A Gold Dragon is "just" one of the most powerful species of the material plane. A very high power floor, but the ceiling prolly around the same as a Lich.

Swarm-that-walks is below - if slightly - a Lich and a Gold Dragon I believe. You're a scourge, but for all the danger a sapient swarm of monstrous vermin is, you're still literally just a few billion bugs.

[Rednal]

In Pathfinder, mechanics *are* lore to a large extent, so discussing one is functionally discussing the other. XD I mostly agree with Darx's list, but I would put Trickster at the top, then Aeon, given some of the stuff revealed about Trickster. Legend could arguably be second as well, because in the sense that levels are lore, CR 40 is no joke. The next-highest official creature I know of is The Mantis God at CR 30 (the Demon Lords Nocticula and Pazuzu are there, too), and that thing doesn't even take real damage unless you're at least a demigod. (A regular mythic character does not and cannot qualify for that in PF's lore, by the way.)

[JustSmile]

Originally posted by Rednal:

Legend could arguably be second as well, because in the sense that levels are lore, CR 40 is no joke. The next-highest official creature I know of is The Mantis God at CR 30, and that thing doesn't even take real damage unless you're at least a demigod. (A regular mythic character does not and cannot qualify for that in PF's lore, by the way.)

You guys seem confused what CR is and means. CR 40 does not mean "equal to one PC at lvl 40". CR 40 means "an average difficulty encounter for 5 PCs, all at level 40". CR 30 is not a 1v1 for a lvl 30 character, it's a 1v5 for lvl 30 characters.

[Rednal]

Oh, I know exactly what CR means. A *player character* has a CR equal to their level minus one, and PC equivalent gear is another CR. (This is why an NPC without notable gear has a lower CR than a PC with the same number of levels. It's the same metric for other creatures without racial hit dice, by the way.) One creature of the same CR as the players is not a very dangerous encounter... because PCs tend to travel in groups, yes. XD One creature fifteen or twenty CR above your party's level, however... *that* is dangerous.

...Not that player CR actually matters most of the time. XD It exists, but it's mostly irrelevant, aside from helping determine appropriate encounters a little better in tabletop games using the mythic rules.

[Ghost]

Aivu's Fear Aura is kind of annoying

[Herr Glaube]

Originally posted by MAIN HERO:

Originally posted by Darx:

must be aeon or trickster.
aeon can time travel and trickster reshape reality.

You sure about that? Floating island/havoc dragon and the song of elysium that seems to have no limits on it's power.

Trickster makes the drunk that comes to your command center in Act 3 the actual hereditary king of Sarkoris because it's funny. It's a full-on reality warper and mostly uses that power to troll people.

[zero]

Originally posted by Xan84:

I noticed some people did not understand what I meant by "lore point of view". I mean from a story point of view, not game mechanics or something similar. How powerful would you be if you would turn into a demon compared to an angel (as an example) from a story point of view and how powerful this characters would be in Pathfinder lore. Obviously we are ignoring the secret path as that would make it clear what is the most powerful.

Aside for that, nice points you guys broth up, had fun reading trough them, did not even consider trickster would be that up high in power.

the question is kind of loaded cause these mythic paths, from a lore point of view, don't work this way.

a lich isn't a mythic path, but is CR12. a gold dragon(adult) is is cr15. demons, devils, and other outsiders have large ranges of CR's cause there is no one type of "demon" as you can see simply by playing the game.

from a lore point of view, all the mythic paths are fundamnetally the same strength, all are "divine powers" or however you wish to phrase it

we only really know their strength from a gameplay perspective cause thats the only way these mythic paths even exist.