Act 5 Trickster quest- The Ultimate Joke fight tips? (Spoilers)

[Einzbern]

Anyone have any tips on how to fight Nocticula? Her Seductive Presence has a DC 48 fortitude save to fascinate, but it also pierces mind-affecting, compulsion, and charm immunities. She then pretty much immediately follows up with a 48DC Wail of the Banshee for 466 damage(310 unholy+156 divine).

If I somehow saved against the fascinate (only on a 20, or 1 with Knowledge World 2 rank) with most/all of my party and got out of range of the wail I could maybe do it.

I've also read some comments that seemed to imply they had the Trick Fate spell for this fight, but I don't get that until level 9 mythic. Which (in)conviently I don't get till I return to the council, which immediately begins the fight without a chance to actually level up, or go outside and rest even if I could.

[Quacksalber]

What difficulty are you on? Buff as much as you can in the area before, spread the party out, use the other guys as meat shields. Dispel any buffs she has, etc. Well and hopefully someone with a memory will chime in, as I can't really remember what I did xD

[Quacksalber]

PS by the area before I mean Nocti's chambers. The longer lasting buffs ought to still be on.

[Einzbern]

I'm going in with the typical buffs: Death Ward, Freedom of Movement, Delay Poison, Remove Feat, True Seeing, Heroic Invocation, Foresight, and Barkskin. The major issue is the seductive presence, if not for that I could probably spread out, but as far as I can tell dispelling stuff will be impossible as the dispell DC is 41.

A community domain cleric would help, but even the 10 or so saves it would give wouldn't be enough for some of my party to reliably save against the presence. My commander has a fortitude save of 25 so that would be a ~35% chance to save. The rest of my team (other than 2 animal companions) have less than 20 in fortitude.

[Quacksalber]

I'm fairly certain I used the trickery to dispel stuff from her. Won't bear's endurance help?

[Einzbern]

You're right, it (or a con belt) would, but that's still only 2 more fort, or 3 with a brown fur transmuter.

[Sotanaht]

I only needed 1 specific character to survive the first round, in order to handle this fight. That was my Kineticist, who then drops Deadly Earth and Cloud on Nocticula. After that it's just a matter of praying she doesn't decide to gun down my MC and force a restart, and that after the fight my MC doesn't decide to stand in the AOEs during the cutscene.

In fact I cut my party down to 3 characters to avoid having to resurrect the ones that weren't useful. My MC, my main tank, and the kineticist. Two out of 3 had Last Stand, so the tank at least had a chance to provide a distraction before she focused my MC.

Kineticists have good fort saves, so I was actually able to get my saves high enough on Hard vs the Aura to save on a 16.

[Einzbern]

Ideally I'd like to get through this without making a merc only for this fight but I'm not completely opposed to it. Did you just do earth+bowling(or whatever the trip one is)?

[Sotanaht]

Originally posted by Einzbern:

Ideally I'd like to get through this without making a merc only for this fight but I'm not completely opposed to it. Did you just do earth+bowling(or whatever the trip one is)?

No trip, she's probably immune anyway (she has wings and regular succubi are immune). She doesn't really move much, and it only takes about 3 rounds to finish her off. I think I delayed it to a 4th round so I had a chance to hit her with a midnight bolt.

If you are making a merc, make sure to grab Great Fortitude, Improved Great Fortitude, and Great Fortitude (Mythic), so you don't have to reload too many times. I only had one of those 3 as an Earth wild talent.

Truth is you'll probably want to keep the Kineticsit anyway. Having a character that uses no dice at all and allows absolutely no defenses is great for tough fights. Deadly Earth and Cloud have no saving throw, no spell resistance, no to-hit roll, they can be Maximized meaning they don't roll dice for damage, and you can get Ascendent Element Fire so half the damage cannot be resisted at all (the other half is bludgeoning)

[Sotanaht]

By the way this fight is optional. You can instead choose to side with Nocticula when you visit her bedchambers (use the pool to teleport to her throne room and tell her about Socothbenoth's intentions, kill the person you came for but don't play any tricks). In that case instead of fighting Nocticula, you fight the Council instead with Nocticula's help. You still get the Trickster level

[Morgo]

Be sure not to neglect cooking bonuses to saves. I found this really helped, as they stack with your other buffs

[echoes222]

RP wise, such fight should be really impossible to win... I mean, she is close to godhood, so much more powerful than your artificial soul. Winning such fight is less believable than BG2 Demigorgon fight :P

[Sotanaht]

Originally posted by echoes222:

RP wise, such fight should be really impossible to win... I mean, she is close to godhood, so much more powerful than your artificial soul. Winning such fight is less believable than BG2 Demigorgon fight :P

Remember you have the assistance of multiple entities that should be on the same level as regular Demon Lords (including one actual Demon Lord).

They are all pretty much useless in the fight, but that's more of a gameplay conceit than an RP thing.

[Quacksalber]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

Originally posted by echoes222:

RP wise, such fight should be really impossible to win... I mean, she is close to godhood, so much more powerful than your artificial soul. Winning such fight is less believable than BG2 Demigorgon fight :P

Remember you have the assistance of multiple entities that should be on the same level as regular Demon Lords (including one actual Demon Lord).

Except the poor guy is majorly nerfed. Made me weep lol.

[echoes222]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

Originally posted by echoes222:

RP wise, such fight should be really impossible to win... I mean, she is close to godhood, so much more powerful than your artificial soul. Winning such fight is less believable than BG2 Demigorgon fight :P

Remember you have the assistance of multiple entities that should be on the same level as regular Demon Lords (including one actual Demon Lord).

fair enough but still not really believable. It's like if BG2 would allow you to fight Cyric with Mystra's assistance. For all intents and purposes, MC in WOTR is still mortal and she should turn you inside out with one spell. But let the gamers have fun I guess ;)

[Einzbern]

Originally posted by echoes222:

RP wise, such fight should be really impossible to win... I mean, she is close to godhood, so much more powerful than your artificial soul. Winning such fight is less believable than BG2 Demigorgon fight :P

I don't disagree, and honestly I wouldn't have that big of an issue if this was another scripted loss fight like that balor(forgot his name, the one Greybor was trying to kill) in the battle for Drezen was. At least as far as I can tell, this isn't another scripted loss.