Cleric build question

[Bruncleson]

I'm not new to CRPGs but I am a bit new to the Pathfinder system. I'm playing a 2-handed melee focused cleric (I know warpriest exists, I want those domains baby), and I'm wondering if it's better to dip into 2-handed fighter for 3 levels to get some melee buffs (that Chop is real nice) and then 17 levels of base cleric, or to just take 20 levels of crusader. I'm not concerned with super min-maxing, just what's more optimal.

[Kalamir]

It is very viable. Try to keep this in Mind, that asside for Armor Trainning and/or having Mytril armor that the base armor and dex cap is around 8-9. Heavy armor does not help if your dex is decent to High in getting your Armor Class to a good point.

Your to Hit is likely not going to be very High, so I would recommend avoinding Power Attack. Vital Strike was a bit lack luster but WotR has Mythic Feats, Mythic Vital Strike makes the Vital Strike Tree hurt so much more.

Oh FYI: Open every book you see, many give a permanent Bonus. You just Need to have them in your inventory & click on Info

[Sotanaht]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von アンジェル:

This could be of interest
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5kvBvq2DEHjRWctNG05X0JINm8/edit?resourcekey=0-CYvFNn95KX6rpiYK1aLb7w

That guide is made for tabletop, and doesn't really apply at all to WOTR. Just from the introduction: Divine Spellcasting in combat is nearly worthless at any level, especially outside of Heal and Mass Heal. Any Divine Spellcaster in WOTR is going to want to focus fully on Martial feats and builds, and use his spells almost exclusively for buffing and curing the party. That's especially true on higher difficulties where debilitating the enemy is virtually impossible even for characters who dedicated their entire build to the job.

[アンジェル]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von carashi:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von アンジェル:

This could be of interest
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5kvBvq2DEHjRWctNG05X0JINm8/edit?resourcekey=0-CYvFNn95KX6rpiYK1aLb7w

That's for tabletop, it's not gonna help a newbie, in fact it will actual disorient them, since the crpg play completely different. Please, don't give bad advice.

It is good for orientation. If you do not like it, then do not like it. It is no bad advice.

[djinnxy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Conquista:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von djinnxy:

mythic

i still don't get, war priest don't have domain powers with mythic powers

I still don't get what's not to get. What does being warpriest have to do with being able to get trickster religion 2?

[ajohnemus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kalamir:

It is very viable. Try to keep this in Mind, that asside for Armor Trainning and/or having Mytril armor that the base armor and dex cap is around 8-9. Heavy armor does not help if your dex is decent to High in getting your Armor Class to a good point.

Your to Hit is likely not going to be very High, so I would recommend avoinding Power Attack. Vital Strike was a bit lack luster but WotR has Mythic Feats, Mythic Vital Strike makes the Vital Strike Tree hurt so much more.

Oh FYI: Open every book you see, many give a permanent Bonus. You just Need to have them in your inventory & click on Info

You mfing genius person. HOW DID I NOT KNOW THAT ABOUT BOOKS?!,!?!

[Bamsmacked]

TBH if you're going with a two-hander I don't know why you wouldn't take Warpriest (Unless you're,using a reach two hander.).

In my opinion you're not swinging your weapon and doing damage if you're casting spells, and as a Warpriest you can cast buffing spells as quickened actions so you can still make an attack in the same round.

You also have Scared Weapon and Scared Armor which helps buff you up.

On top of being able to do all that that you get a lot more feats which is nice since you don't have full BAB for Warpriest or the Cleric.

Yeah it's true as the Warpriest you don't have domain spells but being able to cast buffs and attack in same round makes up for it IMO, and you can always add a buffer to your group.

I also have to make note that in order to use a Two-Hander you either need to take Martial Weapons Prof, or lock yourself into a specific deity which limits your options, Warpriests are proficient in Martial and all Armors.

Far as stat sheet goes, I would take Acolyte background, dump chr (Since acolyte negates penalities to Persuasion. ) go Human and have a spread sheet like this :

16 Str
10 or 12 Dex (12 dex if you take heavy armor for +1 dex bonus)
14 Con
10 or dump int
18 Wis
7 Chr (You won't need charisma with Acolyte background unless you intend to use wands.)

Something along those lines.

[Conquista]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von djinnxy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Conquista:

i still don't get, war priest don't have domain powers with mythic powers

I still don't get what's not to get. What does being warpriest have to do with being able to get trickster religion 2?

see now you talking clearly, should have started with saying its from trickster

[Flavalicious]

IMO going 2 handed cleric is a bit of a waste. By the time your unlocking level 5+ cleric spells your going to be a dedicated caster in heavier armour smiting evil with large, high damage AOE spells. I'd be surprised if you ever find a reason to walk in and try and hit some huge demon with a 45 AC that even with buffs youll need a 19 or 20 to hit, when you can smite his ass for 45 damage and take out a bunch of his freinds at the same time. Even when you run out of dps casts for the days your turns are going to be better spent healing the party, buffing them so the real melee DPS can get work done. If you want to do the 2 hander life I'd say some form of paladin would be a better investment, then at least you get a bunch of feats/skills/combat bonuses that help you land swings.

Keep in mind in this particular game your fighting the legions of hell and their allies, like 85% of every combat action is going to be against some form of evil alignment creature, skim through the cleric spellbook, almost every damaging spell in your arsenal gets bonus dice against those alignments. In my game im rocking a level 15 Cleric in Act 4 and im calling down Bolts of Justice like im Zeus. lol