what WOTR did good and WOTR did bad?

[TheFibrewire]

let us discuss on what this game did good and what this game did poorly.

[hilburnashua]

Bad - Crusade system needed a lot more development to make it interesting
Too many bugs or tooltips that are not correct. Should have tried to put out less classes/archetypes and maybe get rid of a mythic path or two to get the rest more polished.
I think Stealth needs a bit of work, seems like distance doesn't matter much for NPCs detecting PCs but PCs detecting stealthed NPC definitely takes range into account.
Either some of the spells that are based on HP/HD limits should have been increased to balance out increased monster stats or there should have been a mythic feat to give such an increase.

Good - Many interesting, fun companions
Very interesting story with some of the mythic paths changing aspects of the story
It can be fun to build "game breakers" with the mythic system
Cannot rely on one way to attack if you don't want to spend a great deal of time frustated

[NdNd]

I like the game overall, but what annoys me is that at the beginning of act 5 you hit the max lvl and you cant lvl up more in main campaign or in inevitable excess.

[suprpiwi]

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

Bad - Crusade system needed a lot more development to make it interesting
Too many bugs or tooltips that are not correct. Should have tried to put out less classes/archetypes and maybe get rid of a mythic path or two to get the rest more polished.
I think Stealth needs a bit of work, seems like distance doesn't matter much for NPCs detecting PCs but PCs detecting stealthed NPC definitely takes range into account.
Either some of the spells that are based on HP/HD limits should have been increased to balance out increased monster stats or there should have been a mythic feat to give such an increase.

Good - Many interesting, fun companions
Very interesting story with some of the mythic paths changing aspects of the story
It can be fun to build "game breakers" with the mythic system
Cannot rely on one way to attack if you don't want to spend a great deal of time frustated

another andy giving critique but hiding their games/hours played. smh

[bijsmaak]

Good
- Challenging gameplay like no other game.
- Glorious epic battles like the tavern battle.
- Interesting companions.

Bad
- Crusade
- You can very easily miss out on important items, storylines, companions by seemingly very random choices or minor details. You will be punished for making bad choices, but you can only know way afterwards whether the choice was bad or not.
- Towards last 2-3 acts the story almost becomes non-existent. Instead the developers decided just to throw you the same battles and monsters over and over again. Less is more sometimes.
- Ending is a bit disappointing. Including the last few boss battles.
- Crusade again.

[Tiberius]

Worst thing abt this game is that.. default npc portraits are available for you to use. its awkward to run into an npc who has the exact same portrait as you

[NdNd]

The game starts as all the dialogues are voiced but then it ceases to exists. at least all companions coul have been voiced throughout the game.

[Necrosian]

Good:
Build variety
Unique companions
Lot of interesting choices to make and consequence
Visually great areas,

Bad:
Encounter design,
Balancing,
Crusade mode
Lack of QoL features
Obnoxious puzzles

Subjective:
Too many mythic paths
Obtuse/ unintuitive requirements for few events

[revan1229]

Good:
-Story
-Writing
-Visual design
-Music
-Very rewarding combat once you learn the system
-Difficulty and the ability to customize it
-Mythic Path system
-Interesting, well-written NPCs/antagonists
-Some companions
-Sheer number of builds available
-Replayability

Bad:
-Crusade (this would not be on here if major story elements and gear were not gated behind it)
-Puzzles
-Some companions
-DLC has not wowed me so far/ToTMI needs streamlined
-Mythic Paths are not balanced (mechanically or content-wise)
-20 PB mercs
-NPC allies in combat are useless or worse (get in your party's way or hit them with spells that have friendly fire)

Overall, the good outweighs the bad; this is still one of the best CRPGs of all time.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by suprpiwi:

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

Bad - Crusade system needed a lot more development to make it interesting
Too many bugs or tooltips that are not correct. Should have tried to put out less classes/archetypes and maybe get rid of a mythic path or two to get the rest more polished.
I think Stealth needs a bit of work, seems like distance doesn't matter much for NPCs detecting PCs but PCs detecting stealthed NPC definitely takes range into account.
Either some of the spells that are based on HP/HD limits should have been increased to balance out increased monster stats or there should have been a mythic feat to give such an increase.

Good - Many interesting, fun companions
Very interesting story with some of the mythic paths changing aspects of the story
It can be fun to build "game breakers" with the mythic system
Cannot rely on one way to attack if you don't want to spend a great deal of time frustated

another andy giving critique but hiding their games/hours played. smh

So sorry, I have no idea how to enable others to see how many hours I have played games. My account says I have 634 hours in WotR, 730 in Kingmaker and I have been playing tabletop for over a decade. Is that big enough for you?

[Freak4Leeks]

|pros|
- location variety
- enemy variety
- story
- characters
|cons|
-crusade system sucks, personally i think they should stop adding those things to a CRPG, if i wanted to play HoMM then i would go play HoMM.
-railroad-y
-underdeveloped mythic paths
- super buggy still.
- dull DLCS

[Pnume]

+ Nice story. At least compared to other CRPG
+ Some interesting characters
+ Good voice acting overall
+ Lots of build options
+ Good itemization

- Too tedious with too many unnecessary/boring fights
- super tedious buffing
- Crusade
- Some boring characters
- difficulty balance

[reidj062]

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

Bad - Crusade system needed a lot more development to make it interesting
Too many bugs or tooltips that are not correct. Should have tried to put out less classes/archetypes and maybe get rid of a mythic path or two to get the rest more polished.
I think Stealth needs a bit of work, seems like distance doesn't matter much for NPCs detecting PCs but PCs detecting stealthed NPC definitely takes range into account.
Either some of the spells that are based on HP/HD limits should have been increased to balance out increased monster stats or there should have been a mythic feat to give such an increase.

Good - Many interesting, fun companions
Very interesting story with some of the mythic paths changing aspects of the story
It can be fun to build "game breakers" with the mythic system
Cannot rely on one way to attack if you don't want to spend a great deal of time frustated

Going to agree with most of that. Even maxing out perception and with see invisible I can't "spot" these babaus and lilitu before they sneak attack. The companions are infinitely better than Kingmaker.

I'm going to add as a negative the following: combat is too much of a reading exercise and too many immunities or spell immunities. Apparently every other guy is immune to magic missile because in a game where enemies can have 2000 health, a spell that can do 25 damage automatically at max level is broken. I understand that it would really take the oomph out of some fights to have a boss dominated or charmed, but they went overboard. Oh and I love the spellcasters who start the fight with 20 buffs that should last only seconds per level but are permanent. Or the level 16 enemies I'm occasionally fighting before I get my first mythic point.

[smellibear]

Most of these concrits feel in-line with my experience. I actually enjoyed the crusade aspect but it was still frustrating in places almost by design. Needed some serious clean up, like all those spare armies with no place to put them

The other area was the mythic paths. Some of them were very, very strong, others were mid, a few were just straight up weak. The Golden Dragon path I don't think pleased anyone!

The characters though, the characters! They made some inconic folk in this game. Like I don't think I'll remember the comps from BG3 nearly as much as I'll remember these guys. Camelia, Regill, Ember, Daeran, Nenio... all iconic! And I loved the rest too but those guys feel like archetypes of something. Very good job

[bijsmaak]

The game really missed a prebuff option. Though I heard there is mod for that nowadays.

[Snemelc]

Originally posted by Tiberius:

Worst thing abt this game is that.. default npc portraits are available for you to use. its awkward to run into an npc who has the exact same portrait as you

No. If you choose the portrait of a NPC, he will have another portrait.