Class suggestions

[LeBurns]

Okay so I got three role-plays in mind, and I just can't figure out the class and background and origin/region for them. The options just make me lost. So being a new player, I thought maybe to ask here just to see if someone whose familiar with the game can just quickly say, "oh well do this, this, and this" and save me days of research that would probably not be right anyway. So here's the three ideas I have. Race is selected, but I need class/history/origin to make it fit. Note I'm not needing a min/max solution, just one that fits. I play on Normal difficultly anyway so about any class would work.

1) Human or Half-elf. Archer. Light armor. Has Smilodon companion. Optional: From a desert region.

2) Elf. Duel wield swords. Medium armor.

3) Half-Elf. Wields short spear. Medium armor. Optional: From forest region.

A good source to figure stuff like this out would also be appreciated.

Thanks!

[dataseer21]

For 1 you probably want a ranger because it gives you the animal companion. You can select one of the rangers subclasses or archetypes if you wish. If you want something kind of crazy you can get a cleric with animal domain. But you have 3/4 attack progression and you are feat starved unless you pick crusader archetype. Even then archery requires a ton of feats.

EDIT: Just thought of for 1 that you can get a hunter as well. I haven't used that class all that much. I think you are restricted in animal companions that much for that one. Cavalier you have to basically choose horse with the exception of some archetypes.

for 2, are those swords light weapons? There are a number of classes. If you want to use dex you need weapon finesse mythic which you need weapon finesse feat first. Or you can have 3 levels of rogue instead but those are only with certain finesse weapons.

for 3, I can think of literally so many different martial classes that it is difficult to pick. I don't know the stats for short spear off the top of my head but I almost never use it. Not that there is anything bad about that. Weapon stats aren't that a big deal with the exception of critical threat range and critical multiplier. In kingmaker for example though I usually made someone good with heavy mace because it was the best weapon you can kind of get for a while. That and greataxe.

[LeBurns]

For 2 long swords though maybe scimitars. Definitely DEX based build. Can rogues wear medium armor or would that be an elf/region feature added?

[LeBurns]

Elven Curved Blades maybe? But honestly haven't even seen those in game yet. (Still in Act I).

[Vertigo]

If you are willing to ditch the pet, a lawful good deliverer slayer does an amazing amount of damage (and extra damage due to most enemies being chaotic or evil).

As for duel wielding, a mutation warrior fighter can make for an amazing dex based class. There are mythic feats that give you a bonus to damage based on your dex, and the light armor mythic focus gives you a passive dodge percentage in addition to an increased max dex bonus on most armor. If you stack that with a higher crit weapon (like an estoc or a rapier), you can do some great damage while having a solid defense.

[LeBurns]

Originally posted by Vertigo:

If you are willing to ditch the pet, a lawful good deliverer slayer does an amazing amount of damage (and extra damage due to most enemies being chaotic or evil).

As for duel wielding, a mutation warrior fighter can make for an amazing dex based class. There are mythic feats that give you a bonus to damage based on your dex, and the light armor mythic focus gives you a passive dodge percentage in addition to an increased max dex bonus on most armor. If you stack that with a higher crit weapon (like an estoc or a rapier), you can do some great damage while having a solid defense.

I was thinking of a Slayer for option 2, built as a duel wielder. But then I start reading on all the subclasses and my eyes go crossed. Not interested in a pet so that's not a problem, but have no idea what being LG does. Not against it, just didn't know that was something 'ELSE' to be factored in.

Dang this game.

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

I was thinking of a Slayer for option 2, built as a duel wielder. But then I start reading on all the subclasses and my eyes go crossed. Not interested in a pet so that's not a problem, but have no idea what being LG does. Not against it, just didn't know that was something 'ELSE' to be factored in.

Dang this game.

I have done a DW slayer (strength) before, so I guess a dex version is also viable. I feel they do much better with bows. There is also a bow that adds damage based on half your mobility rank, and you will do a LOT of shots with them.

As for why you do a LG deliverer:

Divine Anathema
At 10th level, if the studied target's Alignment is at least two steps away from that of the Deliverer, the Deliverer's attacks deal an additional 2d6 points of damage; this damage is directly from divine power.

This ability replaces the advanced slayer talent gained at 10th level.

There is also this:

Determined Zeal
At 2nd level, a deliverer shrugs off attempts by his moral opposite to control or kill him. On any round in which Deliverer attacks an opponent whose Alignment is at least two steps away from his own (such as a lawful good Deliverer fighting a Chaotic good or lawful evil foe, or a neutral foe with no other Alignment components), he gains a +2 bonus on Will saving throws against that opponent's abilities, as well as the benefit of the Diehard feat until the end of his next turn.

[dataseer21]

Scimitar is a good weapon in pathfinder because of its threat range. If you go fighter you can build it so that you can use dex but it is kind of tricky. Fighter is the only one that can get the dex bonus on scimitars because it isn't a finesse weapon normally.

If you don't mind the aesthetic kukri is much better and easier to go with for duel wielding. There is even a super powerful one that you get eventually unless you manage to miss it in a lab(act 3).

I think you only need a one level dip in something with heavy armor proficiency for rogues to wear heavy armor. That is if you really want to. Like I think 3 levels of fighter will get you the ability to mover easier in it. Though if you just get mithral armor later you don't even need the 3 levels.

[LeBurns]

Originally posted by dataseer21:

Scimitar is a good weapon in pathfinder because of its threat range. If you go fighter you can build it so that you can use dex but it is kind of tricky. Fighter is the only one that can get the dex bonus on scimitars because it isn't a finesse weapon normally.

If you don't mind the aesthetic kukri is much better and easier to go with for duel wielding. There is even a super powerful one that you get eventually unless you manage to miss it in a lab(act 3).

I think you only need a one level dip in something with heavy armor proficiency for rogues to wear heavy armor. That is if you really want to. Like I think 3 levels of fighter will get you the ability to mover easier in it. Though if you just get mithral armor later you don't even need the 3 levels.

Well I think it's a D&D thing, but I thought elves, even as rogues, could wear chain (medium armor). I don't know if there's a rogue class/subclass that allows medium armor, or a background or region you can add that adds it. This game is just all over the place with exceptions to exceptions.

Every 'tips' vid I see about PWotR says to stay away from dual classes until you're a lot more familiar with the game, so I'm trying to stay single class for the time being.

[Soul]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Originally posted by dataseer21:

Scimitar is a good weapon in pathfinder because of its threat range. If you go fighter you can build it so that you can use dex but it is kind of tricky. Fighter is the only one that can get the dex bonus on scimitars because it isn't a finesse weapon normally.

If you don't mind the aesthetic kukri is much better and easier to go with for duel wielding. There is even a super powerful one that you get eventually unless you manage to miss it in a lab(act 3).

I think you only need a one level dip in something with heavy armor proficiency for rogues to wear heavy armor. That is if you really want to. Like I think 3 levels of fighter will get you the ability to mover easier in it. Though if you just get mithral armor later you don't even need the 3 levels.

Well I think it's a D&D thing, but I thought elves, even as rogues, could wear chain (medium armor). I don't know if there's a rogue class/subclass that allows medium armor, or a background or region you can add that adds it. This game is just all over the place with exceptions to exceptions.

Every 'tips' vid I see about PWotR says to stay away from dual classes until you're a lot more familiar with the game, so I'm trying to stay single class for the time being.

i'd say the reason your told to stay away from dual classes is because of the complexity involved... just mixing a lot into the base classes before understanding how they actually play out would make it confusing to really understand what each side brings to the table...

however I think doing a 1 level dip into a class isnt what i'd call "dual classing".... nor using some of the advanced classes such as eldritch knight or arcane trickster.. which expand on your base class....

also one downside to heavier armor is that your skills relying on strength and dex are gonna take a hit.... so if you plan on making your character do athletics, mobility, stealth, or trickery.... those get penalized for wearing armor with heavier armor meaning more penalties...

but background wise.... all the warrior backgrounds provide light armor proficiency through them.... if your class doesnt have it available you can get it through background... and long as you qualify for light armor proficiency... you can simply take a feat to qualify for medium armor proficiency...

[Razer]

1. Demonslayer

2. Fighter or Fighter and something else. I've played a dual falcata wielding character Mutation Warrior 10/Demonslayer 10. It was completely busted.

[jonnin]

locking yourself to a pet removes the best archer builds (my opinion). I have a low tolerance for builds that focus on attacking a dozen times per round as you are just about ensured that a fair % of them will miss each round. So my thoughts on archer lean toward rowdy (1 level at least)/slayer(the other levels) or magus(2 levels) / eldrich rogue. But if you insist on the pet, you are basically locked to hunter or ranger. A third alternative might be a monster slayer inquisitor, who won't be the best archer of all time but will have the pet and can summon temporary pets (innate ability) and on top of that also cast summoning spells, but reduced BAB.

[Razer]

Originally posted by jonnin:

locking yourself to a pet removes the best archer builds (my opinion). I have a low tolerance for builds that focus on attacking a dozen times per round as you are just about ensured that a fair % of them will miss each round. So my thoughts on archer lean toward rowdy (1 level at least)/slayer(the other levels) or magus(2 levels) / eldrich rogue. But if you insist on the pet, you are basically locked to hunter or ranger. A third alternative might be a monster slayer inquisitor, who won't be the best archer of all time but will have the pet and can summon temporary pets (innate ability) and on top of that also cast summoning spells, but reduced BAB.

There's so many classes that can have animal companions. Any class with domains can get them. All Inquisitor archetypes can get an animal companion, clerics, druids, oracles, shamans (albeit a bit late), Cavaliers and then some archetypes such as Mad Dog barbarian or Bloodrider Bloodrager. The possibilities are nearly endless. Plenty of ways to get tons of attacks without having issues with missing as well. Unless you go for a low BAB class with an animal companion like Sylvan Sorcerer.

[Deo]

Pick archer with a pet, and stick to one class. Option 1 that is.

Hunter is good and simple class, while at the same time has quite a few tools to play with - like animal focus or spells. Try not to get many pets in the party, ideally two is enough.

Melee builds are for more advanced players, who played through the full game at least once.

[THAC0]

ive got a new player friendly mostly spoiler free guide on this game you can just look up
Despite what some ppl claim Melee Builds are stupid/advance players only

Originally posted by Deo:

Pick archer with a pet, and stick to one class. Option 1 that is.

Hunter is good and simple class, while at the same time has quite a few tools to play with - like animal focus or spells. Try not to get many pets in the party, ideally two is enough.

Melee builds are for more advanced players, who played through the full game at least once.

im sorry you gotta be brain dead to ♥♥♥♥ up Two Handed Weapon Fighter or such great class super easy to understand and get into and anyone who claims otherwise is just over thinking things or high AF on acid or something

With that being said the top choices for Classes for new players
The Grenader Alchemist- Holy bombs is the only thing you realy need to pick up, far better then vivi especly on first playthough but its not 'melee or tank' thats its main flaw as your party comp kinda needs an extra melee/tank unless your trying to be advance with someone eles and create a weird hybrid

Crusader Cleric - Can be melee good choice all around

Classes With Animal Companions are a good top choice there super strong/powerful

Two Handed Weapon Fighter - 3 Simple rules, Pick up a Two Handed Weapon, Get Strength as High as Possible, Take the Power Attack Feat, Done on unfair make sure Two Handed Weapon has Reach can make it more complicated if this is to basic for you but its super easy and basic to play as and super hard to ♥♥♥♥ up if you understand RPGS at all if you ♥♥♥♥ this class up its 100% on you the player not the class

Mutation Warrior Fighter

Slayer
Slayer Deliver
Slayer Arcane Enforcer prob the most advance complicated melee Class im going to recommend and the most under-rated as well

Calvlier Beast Master or Grenadarm

Sorc if you wanna be Arcane


From your selection I would Suggest elf duel Wield Swords look into the Slayer Deliver/Slayer Class

[jonnin]

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by jonnin:

locking yourself to a pet removes the best archer builds (my opinion). I have a low tolerance for builds that focus on attacking a dozen times per round as you are just about ensured that a fair % of them will miss each round. So my thoughts on archer lean toward rowdy (1 level at least)/slayer(the other levels) or magus(2 levels) / eldrich rogue. But if you insist on the pet, you are basically locked to hunter or ranger. A third alternative might be a monster slayer inquisitor, who won't be the best archer of all time but will have the pet and can summon temporary pets (innate ability) and on top of that also cast summoning spells, but reduced BAB.

There's so many classes that can have animal companions. Any class with domains can get them. All Inquisitor archetypes can get an animal companion, clerics, druids, oracles, shamans (albeit a bit late), Cavaliers and then some archetypes such as Mad Dog barbarian or Bloodrider Bloodrager. The possibilities are nearly endless. Plenty of ways to get tons of attacks without having issues with missing as well. Unless you go for a low BAB class with an animal companion like Sylvan Sorcerer.

Again, I recommend a serious archer have high BAB. Of these, only mad dog really qualifies as a stand out choice: blood rider is horse only, cavalier gets next to zero useful things if built into archery. If a medium BAB is acceptable to you, then yes, you get a lot more stuff available. I wish warpriest could domain a pet ... that would be slick.