Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Pumpkinreaper 2022 年 11 月 14 日 下午 1:19
Concealment 50% with no source given + ignores true sight
So I've spent the last 15 minutes carefully looking over all the buffs and abilities of why the enemies in this one encounter have 50% concealment, but haven't found anything. I double checked to make sure nobody had mysteriously become blinded, mind blank wasn't in effect, etc. but couldn't find anything for it.

This is from an early encounter in act 4 with some bodyguards, for reference. Can anyone explain to me why enemies are getting concealment bonus' like this?
引用自 Silyon:
引用自 IAMCRAIG
So I've spent the last 15 minutes carefully looking over all the buffs and abilities of why the enemies in this one encounter have 50% concealment, but haven't found anything. I double checked to make sure nobody had mysteriously become blinded, mind blank wasn't in effect, etc. but couldn't find anything for it.

This is from an early encounter in act 4 with some bodyguards, for reference. Can anyone explain to me why enemies are getting concealment bonus' like this?

I've had this happen several times over the course of the game myself, random enemies getting total concealment for absolutely no reason (Or at least one that's unlisted under any ability or buff they have). There have been an assortment of issues regarding invisibility and concealment in the past, it wouldn't surprise me to find out True seeing doesn't actually do anything. Especially since you mention Act 4, where there are no weather effects that might factor in.

More likely it's something to do with the extra demon subtypes the devs added into the game for no reason. "Demons of Might/Magic/Wrath" do not exist as creature types in the tabletop game, it's a thing the Devs decided to do for WotR. Probably because Favored Enemy would be busted in a campaign where you're fighting demons 90% of the time, every build would take it as a 1-level dip. It's possible that rather than just being different tags for Favored enemy to work under, they also have some inherent abilities baked into them. Things like auto-invisibility or Blur effects that are just assumed and not actually listed on their sheet.
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vysionier 2022 年 11 月 15 日 上午 6:08 
引用自 Shahadem
引用自 Goilveig
Is there smoke / fog / some other environmental effect? Also if it's outdoors, some of the random weather effects can give concealment (mundane concealment, which is actually harder to mitigate than magical concealment).

Because as everyone knows, if it is raining it is just SO HARD TO SEE TWO FEET IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE. I mean that is just totally impossible. NO one in the world can do it. Every car on the road crashed today because no one could see even two feet out.

/end sarcasm.

There needs to be a realism and logical overhaul.
Personal experience here: have ridden my bike thousands of miles, and hiked a few mountains. Been caught in bad rainstorms too. No, you really can’t ‘distinctly’ see anything in front of you. Not without some kind of cover. It’s better with a rain jacket, but if you don’t have anything covering your head, you really can’t see anything. Too much water in your eyes.

Also, If they really wanted to make it more realistic, there’d be 100% spell failure, and more than 50% chance of losing your weapon when you swing. I’ve done bokken practice in a light rain and kept almost losing my sword, and a few of my fellow seito did lose theirs. can’t imagine how bad it’d be in a heavy downpour.
canuck250 2022 年 11 月 15 日 下午 2:53 
引用自 vysionier
Also, If they really wanted to make it more realistic, there’d be 100% spell failure, and more than 50% chance of losing your weapon when you swing.

Imagine using a lightning spell in the thick rain :) Heavy armour trying to swing in melee combat under heavy rain sounds like a sloppy nightmare. Call in sick that day of work
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Silyon 2022 年 11 月 15 日 下午 3:09 
引用自 IAMCRAIG
So I've spent the last 15 minutes carefully looking over all the buffs and abilities of why the enemies in this one encounter have 50% concealment, but haven't found anything. I double checked to make sure nobody had mysteriously become blinded, mind blank wasn't in effect, etc. but couldn't find anything for it.

This is from an early encounter in act 4 with some bodyguards, for reference. Can anyone explain to me why enemies are getting concealment bonus' like this?

I've had this happen several times over the course of the game myself, random enemies getting total concealment for absolutely no reason (Or at least one that's unlisted under any ability or buff they have). There have been an assortment of issues regarding invisibility and concealment in the past, it wouldn't surprise me to find out True seeing doesn't actually do anything. Especially since you mention Act 4, where there are no weather effects that might factor in.

More likely it's something to do with the extra demon subtypes the devs added into the game for no reason. "Demons of Might/Magic/Wrath" do not exist as creature types in the tabletop game, it's a thing the Devs decided to do for WotR. Probably because Favored Enemy would be busted in a campaign where you're fighting demons 90% of the time, every build would take it as a 1-level dip. It's possible that rather than just being different tags for Favored enemy to work under, they also have some inherent abilities baked into them. Things like auto-invisibility or Blur effects that are just assumed and not actually listed on their sheet.
vysionier 2022 年 11 月 15 日 下午 3:29 
引用自 canuck250
引用自 vysionier
Also, If they really wanted to make it more realistic, there’d be 100% spell failure, and more than 50% chance of losing your weapon when you swing.

Imagine using a lightning spell in the thick rain :) Heavy armour trying to swing in melee combat under heavy rain sounds like a sloppy nightmare. Call in sick that day of work

Oh that would be hilarious! I can just imagine how much extra weight you’d be carrying and how much skin you’d rub off from the chafing! And I can just imagine some sorcerer who just woke up one day and knew how to cast lightning bolt not knowing how it works grounded the spell in a storm and fried his whole team!
Sexorcista 2022 年 11 月 15 日 下午 7:34 
引用自 Silyon
引用自 IAMCRAIG
Probably because Favored Enemy would be busted in a campaign where you're fighting demons 90% of the time, every build would take it as a 1-level dip.

You realize ranger demonslayer has favored enemy for all demons already and yes alot of melee builds do take it as a 1 level dip, but i dont think +2 to attack is "busted"
Pumpkinreaper 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 1:42 
Oh hey, ran into another enemy with unlisted concealment (that is unaffected by truesight) and over 60 AC.

Am I missing something, or are fights really supposed to turn into slogs like this at this point of the game?
Orion Invictus 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 1:43 
引用自 IAMCRAIG
Oh hey, ran into another enemy with unlisted concealment (that is unaffected by truesight) and over 60 AC.

Am I missing something, or are fights really supposed to turn into slogs like this at this point of the game?
Depends. What difficulty are you playing on?
darkholyPL 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 2:23 
Before I write a bit of info here, I'm just going to preface this by saying I'm sure this is not the case in this encounter that you describe, but...
In Pathfinder and DnD there are certain creatures that have supernatural abilities that grant them concelement, that is not the result of a spell of any sort of an optical illusion.
Some creatures can blink in and out of existance, or to be more accurate, betwean two planes, like the Prime plane and the Ethereal plane. This grants them concelement in terms of gameplay mechanics, but it can't be pierced with divination magic such as True Seeing, since.. you are seeing the truth. They are simply not there some of the time.
A staple exaple of this is the Blink Dog, whose ability the Blink spell imitates.
最後修改者:darkholyPL; 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 2:23
Pumpkinreaper 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 2:30 
引用自 darkholyPL
Before I write a bit of info here, I'm just going to preface this by saying I'm sure this is not the case in this encounter that you describe, but...
In Pathfinder and DnD there are certain creatures that have supernatural abilities that grant them concelement, that is not the result of a spell of any sort of an optical illusion.
Some creatures can blink in and out of existance, or to be more accurate, betwean two planes, like the Prime plane and the Ethereal plane. This grants them concelement in terms of gameplay mechanics, but it can't be pierced with divination magic such as True Seeing, since.. you are seeing the truth. They are simply not there some of the time.
A staple exaple of this is the Blink Dog, whose ability the Blink spell imitates.

Read the thread.
darkholyPL 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 2:38 
引用自 IAMCRAIG
引用自 darkholyPL
Before I write a bit of info here, I'm just going to preface this by saying I'm sure this is not the case in this encounter that you describe, but...
In Pathfinder and DnD there are certain creatures that have supernatural abilities that grant them concelement, that is not the result of a spell of any sort of an optical illusion.
Some creatures can blink in and out of existance, or to be more accurate, betwean two planes, like the Prime plane and the Ethereal plane. This grants them concelement in terms of gameplay mechanics, but it can't be pierced with divination magic such as True Seeing, since.. you are seeing the truth. They are simply not there some of the time.
A staple exaple of this is the Blink Dog, whose ability the Blink spell imitates.

Read the thread.
I did. That's why my preface was in place.
It's just a bit of info.
Your situation is I'm pretty sure a bug, and/or lack of proper info on the mosters tab.
最後修改者:darkholyPL; 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 2:39
snuggleform 2022 年 11 月 16 日 上午 11:03 
引用自 IAMCRAIG
Oh hey, ran into another enemy with unlisted concealment (that is unaffected by truesight) and over 60 AC.

Am I missing something, or are fights really supposed to turn into slogs like this at this point of the game?

Like I said earlier, use echolocation (or something else that provides blindsight, not blindsense). Or use truestrike, which explicitly says it ignores concealment.

Stop relying on truesight, it clearly doesn't work.
Silyon 2022 年 11 月 16 日 下午 12:28 
引用自 snuggleform
Like I said earlier, use echolocation (or something else that provides blindsight, not blindsense). Or use truestrike, which explicitly says it ignores concealment.

Stop relying on truesight, it clearly doesn't work.

Blindsight also doesn't work, GD gets it in their transformed state because dragon. Concealment still happens. No reason to think Echo's any different, and even if it is not everyone wants to be forced to run a Brown-fur. Especially since none of the companions are nature mages to force the issue; Camilla's the closest thing and doesn't get the spell.
snuggleform 2022 年 11 月 16 日 下午 12:39 
What specific does blindsight not work on so I can test it? I've never seen it fail.
Pumpkinreaper 2022 年 11 月 16 日 下午 5:45 
引用自 snuggleform
引用自 IAMCRAIG
Oh hey, ran into another enemy with unlisted concealment (that is unaffected by truesight) and over 60 AC.

Am I missing something, or are fights really supposed to turn into slogs like this at this point of the game?

Like I said earlier, use echolocation (or something else that provides blindsight, not blindsense). Or use truestrike, which explicitly says it ignores concealment.

Stop relying on truesight, it clearly doesn't work.

Sure, give me 2-3 methods on how to get those on non-casters.
snuggleform 2022 年 11 月 16 日 下午 6:45 
Scrolls, items.
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