How Can I Not Be a Trickster?

[atm]

I need someone to convince me to try a mythic path other than trickster. I am not normally a 'chaotic' player at all, but the trickster path is just so damned good. No matter what character I make, I only want to make them a trickster and I am starting to feel like trickster has ruined me for everything else.

Reasons I wouldn't not want to be a trickster:

-Any class at all can have any pet they want as a trickster (take lore: religion, improved mythic trick, animal domain). A second side effect is that it gives you the ability to cast all the animal domain spells as spell-like abilities, along with any other second domain of your choice. This is without even needing to take it all the way up to Greather Mythic Trick.

-Any class that does either weapon attacks or touch attacks can benefit from the 6d6 sneak attack.

-Anyone who is even close to the front lines really, really wants to have the trickster's mirror image spell (by which I mean the actual one in its spell book). This is why I keep falling back to trickster on my solo or near-solo builds. The one glitch is that armor does seem to interfere with the casting, so you probably rather want an unarmored or light armored build.

-As long as you have say 15(ish) int, you can become a full wizard as a trickster (i,e, by putting on a headband that gives +4 int to get you to 19). The Greater Mythic Use Items trick just unlocks a straight wizard spellbook for you, so you can have seamantle, mind blank, fiery body, dragon form III, whatever you want. If you thought your tanky main character was good, wait until you have seamantle and fiery body on. If you have Greater Abundant spells you get like 7 casts per day of 9th level spells. If you have Greater Enduring spells, they last all day. Not sure how any other path can compare to even this single mythic trick!

-1s becoming 20s is pretty damn sweet. Before I took this, I could only hit certain mobs 5% of the time. Even if you gave me another +15 attack I would probably still have that problem. But with that mythic trick, the absolute worst case is that your party will hit 10% of the time, which is enough to wear down even hard mode bosses.

-Infinite uses on wands. Pretty busted. On my trickster arcane rider I had a wand of mirror image, which I could just spam as needed, a wand of cure medium wounds, so no other healer really needed, a wand of silver dragon's breath, and a wand of dimension door, so I could teleport at will. Infinite charges, caster level raised by up to 10, and as a magus I also got my int bonus added to their DC. Not sure what could compete with this, but hoping someone can convince me.

Anyway, after all that, I just don't know how I could be anything other than a trickster. I mean, even on the Legend path, you can take levels in another class but a single mythic trick gives you the entire class of wizard, pretty much, and you can also take a trick that allows you to ignore feat requirements, so you could take most of a fighter if you wanted (go straight to greater vital strike without the normal and improved versions, for example).

Just wondering what I am missing about the other paths that could make them compete.

[Kyo Gnome]

It seems that all the end game mythic traits seam to break the game. (I think trickster is stronger than the other mythic path end games). the problem I think is more tempo, I think demon may have better tempo (stronger at mythic path 3-5).

there is also some interesting tricks with some of the other paths (like a 15+ DC to spells with the demon path which could make a mage potentially viable at high difficulties)

the other item to consider is the trickster path music... it is great at the start but gets reallllyyy annoying after a while (dont think I could do a second trickster path because of it)

[Samhain34]

Why leave chaotic at all? Try Azata. You pick up a young havoc dragon named Aivu, who is enough of a reason all by herself. Do you want a bunch of lunatics to join your cause calling themselves the "Free Crusaders?" Azata. Do you want to knight a bunch of mimics? Azata. Do you want to launch your attack on the demons at the end of Act 3 in seven days instead of 30 before they can get ready? Azata. And one of their superpowers is favorable magic, where every enemy has to roll twice on saves and take the worse number while you roll twice for spell penetration and concentration checks.

[Izuzul]

Trickster bends or flat out breaks rules, to say it is overpowered is an understatement. It's like playing with cheats on. That's why It's my least favorite path.

[Babbles]

I played it twice up to Act 4, I have had to restart a 3rd game because it is just too good :)

I'm not complaining, I think is is brilliant, the council is hilarious, but in terms of a challenge it trivialises too many things.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Samhain34:

Why leave chaotic at all? Try Azata. You pick up a young havoc dragon named Aivu, who is enough of a reason all by herself. Do you want a bunch of lunatics to join your cause calling themselves the "Free Crusaders?" Azata. Do you want to knight a bunch of mimics? Azata. Do you want to launch your attack on the demons at the end of Act 3 in seven days instead of 30 before they can get ready? Azata. And one of their superpowers is favorable magic, where every enemy has to roll twice on saves and take the worse number while you roll twice for spell penetration and concentration checks.

Sold.

Going Azata this time :)

[Dragon Master]

I'm going aeon first time. Still haven't beaten the game because I keep starting over to try new things.

I'll likely go liche 2nd time.

Then I'll go either Azata or Gold dragon for my third time.

[Dallar]

Those are all really good points, but: Tricksters music theme kinda suck, while Aeon theme is fckin amazing. All the reasons one need to try different path.

[sam_502]

The trickster on paper sounds great. The execution though is so bad it really makes you sad :/ also the mythic stats for the plans you have in mind start from mythic 6-7 onwards so yeah

[Kasa]

Trickster is a gimmick class, sure you get some gizmos but unless you specifically built your player to take advantage of those your inferior to a mono class of the same type or even prestige class.

Take the wizard spell book? Better not wear armor, animal companion? Druid and clerics have you beat, and inqusitor has all the team work feats to apply to them.
Paladins have the ability to ride their mount and even liches can make their mount undead.

Wands can be use by any class with UMD or the spell on their spell list.

Effectively the trickster is the lawl mythic class, lots of fun to be sure but on higher difficulties your spreading yourself thin because if you were building yourself up to take advantage of the tricksters gimmicks you would have already had them well before getting the trickster class.

[AnemoneMeer]

Azata gets "All of your party fights while below 0 HP, also nobody can die until they take your cha mod in extra hits. Also all your teamwork feats are shared with everyone and you get two free teamwork feats." At MR4, as just a single ability. Then at MR6, you get Regeneration on everyone, so death is literally impossible.

Let me reiterate that, Azata MR6 is immune to *death*. Not death effects, death itself. And if CC is a problem, you can instead massively hike your parties saves and cause them to heal when they make said save, which also resets the clock on your hits until death aura.

A summon monster 1 dog can go a long while against Drescari provided an Azata is buffing them.

[XartaX]

They're all broken if you know hot to use them. As a Lich you can literally throw all the monsters the game sends at you back at it (repurpose). With enduring spell you can set up a buff on yourself that drains 1 level per round from every enemy within 30ft for the entire day. You have spells that just don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about SR or Saves and just kills things. You can convert all your elemental damage into negative energy AND pick up the feat that makes negative energy ignore all damage reduction and immunities. You can run an entire undead party and have spells like AOE Harm doing insane damage to all your enemies and healing yourself. You have an OP dispel magic that strips everything and also reduces the targets AC. You can add your mythic path level to your caster level (I hope you're able to see why 30 caster levels is OP). Etc. etc. They're all broken.

[Shakka]

Originally posted by Samhain34:

Why leave chaotic at all? Try Azata. You pick up a young havoc dragon named Aivu, who is enough of a reason all by herself.

God I miss Aivu. I hated everything else about Azata but I loved that little dragon.

So sad it just poofed out of existence when I switched to Gold Dragon path.

On topic though: Even on higher difficulties, I'd probably pick the mythic path based on flavour rather than mechanics. They're all pretty damn good regardless. While some will mesh better with certain builds, it won't necessarily gimp your character.

[XartaX]

Originally posted by Shakka:

Originally posted by Samhain34:

Why leave chaotic at all? Try Azata. You pick up a young havoc dragon named Aivu, who is enough of a reason all by herself.

God I miss Aivu. I hated everything else about Azata but I loved that little dragon.

So sad it just poofed out of existence when I switched to Gold Dragon path.

On topic though: Even on higher difficulties, I'd probably pick the mythic path based on flavour rather than mechanics. They're all pretty damn good regardless. While some will mesh better with certain builds, it won't necessarily gimp your character.

If you Switch to swarm, you get to eat her. And have a feeling of fullness.

[Shakka]

Originally posted by XartaX:

Originally posted by Shakka:

God I miss Aivu. I hated everything else about Azata but I loved that little dragon.

So sad it just poofed out of existence when I switched to Gold Dragon path.

On topic though: Even on higher difficulties, I'd probably pick the mythic path based on flavour rather than mechanics. They're all pretty damn good regardless. While some will mesh better with certain builds, it won't necessarily gimp your character.

If you Switch to swarm, you get to eat her. And have a feeling of fullness.

For years now I've generally played evil characters.

But ♥♥♥♥♥♥, there are some lines that just shouldn't be crossed D:

[Kasa]

Man if this game wasn't so long I do that just for the evulz.
Oh well I still have rimworld.