Ascendant element

[Edstyles]

So it seems to happen quite often that my spells get resisted even with Ascendant. Im going to guess its buged which kinda sucks since its the only way for casters to do any decent damage xD

[Lawlman Griff]

Ascendant element does not eliminate spell resistance, it eliminates elemental resistance.

[lazarusblack]

It might actually be the really, really... really really high, spell resistance of most enemies.

I only really got consistent breakthrough once I had all the feats and abilities that contributed to spell penetration, debuffs on enemies and buffs for myself.

I think spell resistance and to a lesser extent, AC could do with a pass over once the most glaring bugs are addressed.

Spell resistance especially as it doesn't seem to be impacted by difficulty changes, like AC and rolls are.

[thrythlind]

Also, a lot of spells have two damage types, like Volcanic Storm which has both fire and bludgeoning. So they might resist the bludgeoning but not the fire.

[Koveras]

Ascendant element is working fine for me. I think lawman Griff has touched on what is the heart of the issue. When you attack an enemy (depending on your spell) you have multiple defences you need to breakthrough to get the full effect of your spell.

1. Ranged/touch spells. You need to roll against their touch AC. Your attack misses if you don't meet or exceed their touch ac.
2. Spell resistance. Your spell penetration needs to meet or surpass their spell resistance. This is separate and distinct from elemental resistances.
3. Spell DC: Your targets get to roll their saving throws. They may lessen or completely avoid the effect of the spell.
4. Elemental Resistances/immunities. This is where ascendant element comes into play. It ignores the units resistance or immunity when calculating damage. Resistance acts as a flat damage reduction or negation.

[JonWoo]

You need to stack feats and items that increase your SR roll if you're going to use spells that are subject to it. Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration, Mythic Spell Penetration, the belt you can have the Story Teller remake for you, and I've come across a few other items that do it as well. Doing that you can pretty reliably get past SR.

[Lawlman Griff]

Originally posted by Jonwoo89:

You need to stack feats and items that increase your SR roll if you're going to use spells that are subject to it. Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration, Mythic Spell Penetration, the belt you can have the Story Teller remake for you, and I've come across a few other items that do it as well. Doing that you can pretty reliably get past SR.

There are also some races and classes that can get bonuses to Difficulty Class or Caster Level Check (the latter is what you make to get past spell resistance). Elf Arcanist is the example that immediately comes to mind.

[Edstyles]

i used a ranged touch attack which is usually pretty low on most mobs , but the spell it self in the combat log clearly said resisted. Something along the lines this spell cant penetrate target. Spell resisted.
Was using Ember , who has pretty decent pen being an elf + spell pen feat and ascendant spell fire and spell focus fire element. All spells got resisted from that touch fire spell which throws like 3 fire beams.

[Sador]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

i used a ranged touch attack which is usually pretty low on most mobs , but the spell it self in the combat log clearly said resisted.

That sounds like you didn't manage to overcome their spell resistance.

[JustSmile]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

i used a ranged touch attack which is usually pretty low on most mobs , but the spell it self in the combat log clearly said resisted. Something along the lines this spell cant penetrate target. Spell resisted.
Was using Ember , who has pretty decent pen being an elf + spell pen feat and ascendant spell fire and spell focus fire element,

You are confusing spell resistance and elemental resistance. Ascendant Element only removes the latter from the equation.

[Hobocop]

Energy Resistance and Spell Resistance are two separate things, and you need to overcome both to be an effective offensive damage caster.

[AKD]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

i used a ranged touch attack which is usually pretty low on most mobs , but the spell it self in the combat log clearly said resisted. Something along the lines this spell cant penetrate target. Spell resisted.
Was using Ember , who has pretty decent pen being an elf + spell pen feat and ascendant spell fire

The description of the spell will say whether or not it is subject to Spell Resistance.

[Edstyles]

But the mob only had 10 fire res . While i have spell pen feat. The only thing i can think of it might be the level difference of the mob. Mob was 2 levels higher. Still think its silly tho :p

[JustSmile]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

But the mob only had 10 fire res . While i have spell pen feat. The only thing i can think of it might be the level difference of the mob. Mob was 2 levels higher. Still think its silly tho :p

You. Are. Confusing. SPELL. Resistance. And. ENERGY. Resistance.

[djinnxy]

Keep an eye out for the few mythic damage spells that say Spell Resistance; No. Then grab any and all feats and abilities that make em roll multiple times and take the worst result to resist part of the damage.

[drago888]

Ascendence element is not working... I had a wizard with ascendence element electricity and in the battle in lost chapel, cast a lightning bolt at a greased and prone stone golem with 7 hp left. The golem is immune to the spell and did not take any damage, with the logs saying the golem is immune to the spell... It disrupt my whole build... Damn fed up with WOTR and can't find the heart to finish the game even once