how beat Vescavor Queen on unfair?

[Slava Ukraini]

Need help coz it feels you can only do it with a lot of luck....

[Ciaina]

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

Originally posted by Koveras:

I think that only people with a thorough knowledge of the rule set or a willingness to follow min-max guides will have any success on unfair. I'd recommend you play it on a lower difficulty.

That is incredibly rude to tell someone to just give up when they are looking for advice.

That is not rude. He has been given a solution (use summons) and he ignored it because he didn't like it.

You, on the other hand, are INCREDIBLY rude. Not even gonna explaining why, it's pretty self-evident.

The cure for ignorance is information, but as in the immortal words of Robert Heinlein, the only cure for stupidity is.....

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by roguelike:

If you're stuck, you can cheese the fight in an hour or so by savescumming for ember to slumber the boss, exiting combat to get a quick save, then savescumming for a coup de grace kill.

Anevia will attack the sleeping boss, so enter combat first and then leave it to get her to spawn. She'll die, then come back and follow your main character. Park her near the entrance while you try to get the slumber to hit.

explain better?

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by roguelike:

If you're stuck, you can cheese the fight in an hour or so by savescumming for ember to slumber the boss, exiting combat to get a quick save, then savescumming for a coup de grace kill.

Anevia will attack the sleeping boss, so enter combat first and then leave it to get her to spawn. She'll die, then come back and follow your main character. Park her near the entrance while you try to get the slumber to hit.

make a video or explain better for me im dumb :(

I understand teh first part. ember slumber the boss.

but after that?

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by ✔️ nameless:

Originally posted by roguelike:

If you're stuck, you can cheese the fight in an hour or so by savescumming for ember to slumber the boss, exiting combat to get a quick save, then savescumming for a coup de grace kill.

Anevia will attack the sleeping boss, so enter combat first and then leave it to get her to spawn. She'll die, then come back and follow your main character. Park her near the entrance while you try to get the slumber to hit.

explain better?

ember I should want marry but not possible. Its ok use camille. she can be my second wife. I see she have slumber too...

[Dixon Sider]

Originally posted by roguelike:

If you're stuck, you can cheese the fight in an hour or so by savescumming for ember to slumber the boss, exiting combat to get a quick save, then savescumming for a coup de grace kill.

If you save then load, they get back up from slumber. You just gotta hope the coup hits. I coup de grace with every teammate at the exact same time and they all get auto critical hits if they land their attack if the initial fort save was successful I believe.

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

Originally posted by roguelike:

If you're stuck, you can cheese the fight in an hour or so by savescumming for ember to slumber the boss, exiting combat to get a quick save, then savescumming for a coup de grace kill.

If you save then load, they get back up from slumber. You just gotta hope the coup hits. I coup de grace with every teammate at the exact same time and they all get auto critical hits if they land their attack I believe.

ok so this with Anevia ?

[Dixon Sider]

Originally posted by ✔️ nameless:

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

If you save then load, they get back up from slumber. You just gotta hope the coup hits. I coup de grace with every teammate at the exact same time and they all get auto critical hits if they land their attack I believe.

ok so this with Anevia ?

Anyone not immune to sleep can get slept as far as I am aware. Check her immunities to see what she can't get. A natural 1 saving throw will always land so that is always an option for anyone without sleep immunity.

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

Originally posted by ✔️ nameless:

ok so this with Anevia ?

Anyone not immune to sleep can get slept as far as I am aware. Check her immunities to see what she can't get. A natural 1 saving throw will always land so that is always an option for anyone without sleep immunity.

I dont understand what you mean?

That another guy write about Anevia but I dont know what I shall think about?

[Amoc]

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

If you save then load, they get back up from slumber. You just gotta hope the coup hits. I coup de grace with every teammate at the exact same time and they all get auto critical hits if they land their attack if the initial fort save was successful I believe.

and that's how a lot of higher-difficulty are "beaten" in Owlcat's pathfinder RPG.

It's a save-scum battle of attrition until you roll properly.

Frankly, I don't get it. I don't know why that would be fun for someone. I don't mind a hard fight where I lose multiple times, or even finding out my party sucks and I'd be better of restarting.

What does feel silly, however, is when you're beating your head against the wall against opponents where you'll only hit on 19-20 rolls with ANYTHING and you have to just stubbornly keep trying until RNGeesus favors you enough.

[Dixon Sider]

Originally posted by ✔️ nameless:

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

Anyone not immune to sleep can get slept as far as I am aware. Check her immunities to see what she can't get. A natural 1 saving throw will always land so that is always an option for anyone without sleep immunity.

I dont understand what you mean?

That another guy write about Anevia but I dont know what I shall think about?

I'm not that far so I cant give you tips for that fight specifically. I just know that sleep is always my first train of thought when learning a new fight. Check sleep resistance and immunities

[Dixon Sider]

Originally posted by Amoc:

Originally posted by Dixon Sider:

If you save then load, they get back up from slumber. You just gotta hope the coup hits. I coup de grace with every teammate at the exact same time and they all get auto critical hits if they land their attack if the initial fort save was successful I believe.

and that's how a lot of higher-difficulty are "beaten" in Owlcat's pathfinder RPG.

It's a save-scum battle of attrition until you roll properly.

Frankly, I don't get it. I don't know why that would be fun for someone. I don't mind a hard fight where I lose multiple times, or even finding out my party sucks and I'd be better of restarting.

What does feel silly, however, is when you're beating your head against the wall against opponents where you'll only hit on 19-20 rolls with ANYTHING and you have to just stubbornly keep trying until RNGeesus favors you enough.

If your only hitting on 19 or 20s then it is time to rethink your strategy. It took me a week to beat the first boss fight. I did not win until I found a way to hit on a 10. You just need to think outside of the box. Sleep is not an answer to every situation. There's a lot of spell resistance.

[Slava Ukraini]

Originally posted by roguelike:

If you're stuck, you can cheese the fight in an hour or so by savescumming for ember to slumber the boss, exiting combat to get a quick save, then savescumming for a coup de grace kill.

Anevia will attack the sleeping boss, so enter combat first and then leave it to get her to spawn. She'll die, then come back and follow your main character. Park her near the entrance while you try to get the slumber to hit.

I dont undersatnd. I make boss sleep and run away and save. Anevia die and when I go back boss there and I cant slumber it again. When I load my save amber alive near boss.

If I aktivate boss and run away boss follwo me and not kill Anevia....If I let boss kill Anevia she coem back again when I load my save.... I dont understand you are drunk or guess only

[Hobocop]

Manage to do it on Hard buffed out the wazoo to resist Gibber (Unbreakable Heart + Bard Song from multiclassed Seelah + Protection from Evil, etc) with Crusader's Blade from Sosiel on my Mutation Fighter MC wielding the +2 Heavy Flail you can get from one of the army battles, which makes it effectively a +4 weapon with Bane against her. Didn't matter too much that I failed the Gibber save and got confused since I would just swing at her anyway and turn her into paste.

The swarms also don't resist bludgeoning damage, so it made getting through those pretty trivial as well.

[Maay]

On Hard difficulty I took Nenio and MC Wizard and they bombarded the queen with magic missiles. Used pretty much every slot available (metamagic helps). Also Lann did a crit once.

[Dixon Sider]

Originally posted by ✔️ nameless:

Originally posted by roguelike:

If you're stuck, you can cheese the fight in an hour or so by savescumming for ember to slumber the boss, exiting combat to get a quick save, then savescumming for a coup de grace kill.

Anevia will attack the sleeping boss, so enter combat first and then leave it to get her to spawn. She'll die, then come back and follow your main character. Park her near the entrance while you try to get the slumber to hit.

I dont undersatnd. I make boss sleep and run away and save. Anevia die and when I go back boss there and I cant slumber it again. When I load my save amber alive near boss.

If I aktivate boss and run away boss follwo me and not kill Anevia....If I let boss kill Anevia she coem back again when I load my save.... I dont understand you are drunk or guess only

You can't flee then save. The enemies regenerate health, cooldowns, and all negative statuses are taken away when you load.