In pathfinder universe who is stronger?

[sleeper]

The demon lords of the abyss or the eldest ones from the first world?

[Folund]

Iomedae. (No i'm not biased.) FOR THE LIGHT.

[Darakkuu]

Originally posted by sleeper:

The demon lords of the abyss or the eldest ones from the first world?

I mean, they greatly vary in power among themselves. But on average, i think they are more or less close to each other.

[Grunaldi]

i mean in Kingmaker one eldest got dunken on by a normal not mythic person :P
(i know , i know we got some special help as well in Kingmaker but still)

[Mr Fred]

Power lvl wise its pretty similar to the demon lords we face as they arent god. Lamashtu would be a whole lot more powerful as shes a goddess as well.

[Darakkuu]

Originally posted by Grunaldi:

i mean in Kingmaker one eldest got dunken on by a normal not mythic person :P
(i know , i know we got some special help as well in Kingmaker but still)

Well, this adventurer was level 20 and had level 20 party of allies... plus his enemy was rather "playing the game" than fighting for real.
Similarly, i think party of level 20 Adventurers in the right circumstances can have a shot at fighting Demon lord. Not kill it completely, for sure, but maybe defeat for a time being.

[GunofBrixton]

Originally posted by sleeper:

The demon lords of the abyss or the eldest ones from the first world?

Original Fey or Demons? Fey.

In the cosmic lore, demons are an incredibly young race. Qlippoths, Angels, Aeons, Devils are in a tier above most other outsiders.

[sleeper]

So angels are older then demons hell are fey older then everything?

[Naked Granny]

Canonically, the Eldest.

They're beyond divinity to the point that the gods are to them as mortals are to the gods. The Eldest just don't really take much personal interest in other planes of existence. Demon lords aren't even as powerful as gods, they aren't actually divinities themselves. Asmodeus ascended to godhood, but he's a devil and is the only one.

[sleeper]

Originally posted by Aunt Tony:

Canonically, the Eldest.

They're beyond divinity to the point that the gods are to them as mortals are to the gods. The Eldest just don't really take much personal interest in other planes of existence. Demon lords aren't even as powerful as gods, they aren't actually divinities themselves. Asmodeus ascended to godhood, but he's a devil and is the only one.

What about Lamashu? Or what about the eldest that messes with Pahrasma the god and god really messed up as a result and the gnomes suffer for it.

[GunofBrixton]

Originally posted by sleeper:

So angels are older then demons hell are fey older then everything?

Pathfinder lore does this thing where each primordial entity group has its own creation myth.

For one story, Asmodeus kills his brother Ihys over free will vs ordered control, then regrets it and implements his brothers free will plan. In another its Apsu and Tiamat. In another its explained as a giant soul wheel and cycle held in place by gods like Pharasma and the Aeons and others.


Typically, Qlippoths are the oldest. They're the C'thulu nightmare beings older than creation.

[CloudKira]

Aren't Eldest, Demon Lords, Archdevils, Empyreal Lords (and so on) all demi gods?

Just right below full fledged deities like Iomedae or Erastil.

[sleeper]

Originally posted by CloudKira:

Aren't Eldest, Demon Lords, Archdevils, Empyreal Lords (and so on) all demi gods?

Just right below full fledged deities like Iomedae or Erastil.

Is there like ranks above demigods for deities like lesser deities, intermediate, greater and so forth?

[Pandasaur]

The Eldest fey are supposed to be on par with gods, as far as abilities go (I think? They're described that way occasionally, anyway). In a straight fight Fey have always been "weaker" than other entities because they're tricky, and tend to have utility/control or other abilities. It's rare to encounter a fey that's a straight slug fest.

So, in the system? Like mechanically? Demon Lords are probably more of a challenge in a fight. The problem with Fey is that you'll likely never fight them directly, or you'll never get a chance to.

Different kinds of power!

[Uzkin]

Originally posted by Aunt Tony:

Canonically, the Eldest.

They're beyond divinity to the point that the gods are to them as mortals are to the gods. The Eldest just don't really take much personal interest in other planes of existence. Demon lords aren't even as powerful as gods, they aren't actually divinities themselves. Asmodeus ascended to godhood, but he's a devil and is the only one.

Nope, deities are above the Eldest. For example, when one of the Eldest stole a piece of the River of Souls, Pharasma (the goddess of Death) roflstomped said Eldest and erased him/her/it from existence so that no one even remembers this Eldest's name any more.

[Northern]

Demon lords are vary hard.

Some are borderline gods, some just very beefy balors.

I'd say eldest noticably stronger than average demon lord.