Weapon Finesse part 2

[Stechhelm]

So Regill has "Weapon Finesse" and "Fighters Finesse" as not chanceable feats.
I added "Weapon Finesse (Mythic)" and dont get the DEX bonus for attacks if using for a example a normal Longsword. Its STR as usual.

Fighters finess: The fighter gains the benefits of the Weapon Finesse feat for all meele Weapons that belong to the associated fighter weapon group. - is not working

Weapon Finesse (Mythic): You're an expert with weapons that rely on your agility. Benefit: When using Weapon Finesse, you may also use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Streangh modifier on your damage rolls. - works

Whats going wrong here?

[DarkFenix]

You're misunderstanding what weapon groups are. Take a look here: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/Fighter/#Weapon_Training_Ex

The gnome hooked hammer is a double weapon, therefore Regill will get weapon finesse on any double weapon even if it doesn't normally qualify. The longsword is a heavy blade, different type of weapon, so not eligible.

Mythic finesse shouldn't be working with the longsword. It's not a weapon that qualifies for weapon finesse.

[Stechhelm]

Does that mean i have to add an extra feat only for a specific Weapon type? and deleating the last one therefor?

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

Mythic finesse shouldn't be working with the longsword. It's not a weapon that qualifies for weapon finesse.

attack rolls no, damage rolls yes

[Stechhelm]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2603931860

[Stechhelm]

from "Fighters Finesse" you get the benefits of "Weapon Finesse" for all meele Weapons. And for Weapon Finesse (Mythic) you get + damage for all "Weapon Finesse" Weapons.

But whats going on with the attack roll benefit from "Fghters Finesse" for all meele Weapons?

[Stechhelm]

Just figured out it works even without "Fighters Finesse". So jeah, it shouldnt be work like that.

Weapon Finesse (Mythic) is the sames as "Finess Training ()" only for all finesse Weapons.

[T.W. Hamill]

Originally posted by Mako Kilo:

from "Fighters Finesse" you get the benefits of "Weapon Finesse" for all meele Weapons. And for Weapon Finesse (Mythic) you get + damage for all "Weapon Finesse" Weapons.

But whats going on with the attack roll benefit from "Fghters Finesse" for all meele Weapons?

No, “Fighters Finesse” does NOT give you weapon finesse for ‘All Melee Weapons’. Itmgives you finesse in every weapon IN THAT WEAPON GROUP.

[Stechhelm]

Originally posted by T.W. Hamill:

Originally posted by Mako Kilo:

from "Fighters Finesse" you get the benefits of "Weapon Finesse" for all meele Weapons. And for Weapon Finesse (Mythic) you get + damage for all "Weapon Finesse" Weapons.

But whats going on with the attack roll benefit from "Fghters Finesse" for all meele Weapons?

No, “Fighters Finesse” does NOT give you weapon finesse for ‘All Melee Weapons’. Itmgives you finesse in every weapon IN THAT WEAPON GROUP.

IN WHAT WEAPON GROUP?

[T.W. Hamill]

Originally posted by Mako Kilo:

Originally posted by T.W. Hamill:

No, “Fighters Finesse” does NOT give you weapon finesse for ‘All Melee Weapons’. Itmgives you finesse in every weapon IN THAT WEAPON GROUP.

IN WHAT WEAPON GROUP?

…. Dear god, how do you not choke on your tongue? Double Weapons. The entire feat chain is tied to Fighter Weapon training clas abilities.

[Stechhelm]

Originally posted by T.W. Hamill:

Originally posted by Mako Kilo:

IN WHAT WEAPON GROUP?

…. Dear god, how do you not choke on your tongue? Double Weapons. The entire feat chain is tied to Fighter Weapon training clas abilities.

The hell is your problem you always pissed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? You START with this feat with regil, how i suppose to know its bound to level 5 armiger? I only saw it in the abilities tab without any context.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Fighters Finess Works like this...

You choose a group of weapons, for example I chose close for my shield bash fighter. So when he uses a shield to bash its treated as a finesse weapon so he gets his dex bonus on shield bashes. It does not count for ALL weapons just the group of weapons that you chose.

In regills case he chose " double weapons " So the Gnome hook Hammer, The Orc Double Axe, The Double Sword ect, all count as finesseable weapons for him. A Long Sword is not counted because it falls under the heavy blade category.

A fighter has to specialize, Regill specializes in the gnomehook hammer which he should always be using at least 90% of the time.

[Stechhelm]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Fighters Finess Works like this...

You choose a group of weapons, for example I chose close for my shield bash fighter. So when he uses a shield to bash its treated as a finesse weapon so he gets his dex bonus on shield bashes. It does not count for ALL weapons just the group of weapons that you chose.

In regills case he chose " double weapons " So the Gnome hook Hammer, The Orc Double Axe, The Double Sword ect, all count as finesseable weapons for him. A Long Sword is not counted because it falls under the heavy blade category.

A fighter has to specialize, Regill specializes in the gnomehook hammer which he should always be using at least 90% of the time.

Yes... i get it now. Weapon Finesse (Mythic) is still giving you DEX damage bonuses for ALL Weapons which it shouldn't.

[Soul]

A poor author blames the reader.

[markelphoenix]

*popcorn*

[Stechhelm]

Originally posted by Soul:

A poor author blames the reader.

I was asking a question and did the best i could to explain. I've even changed the ingame language to take a screenshot.

And to make this very clear: Nobody NEeds readers like you or other guy. This is self-evident.

[EQFL_Sapare]

to be fair, isnt it bugged anyway? my Regill is not getting bonus from dex on is double weapon anyway... its using STR.
Also in game tooltips DO NOT state what "group" he choose, or if it does its somewhere not obvious. OP isnt completely wrong for getting confused.