Is it worth having a cleric?

[Phil85]

I am using the npc's in the early game as: witch, bard, wizard, enchanter(ember's starting class), arcane archer. Do I need to bother with a cleric? The witch and enchanter have some healing.

[Caelestus]

Its good to have main healer, and an off-healer. Especially one that can channel. So you'd want either Seelah, Camilia, or Sosiel, along with a main healer like Daeran and Ember.

[Ashtrails]

I use a cleric as my 24 hour buffbot and frontline support. Heals are mainly hosipitaler pally and oracle

[Fancayzy]

Cleric is there for 2 buffs you can get from Community and Nobility domains. You can add extra domains using mythic ranks. A cleric adds some other buffs also. Domains in general are great and why a cleric is slightly better than Oracle, for example, as your party healer.

Much later on you can add nuking and spell damage to the cleric but that takes a while.

That leaves some redundant healing in your party. Usually it's better to lean towards more damage than healing as you'll meet things that must die quickly and healing won't help much in those fights.

[Viper]

yes healing is very important..As well as buffing spells. You will die a lot without a healer.

[Finrod]

Clerics will have every spell that cure conditions, paralysis, disease, energy drain.... they ressurect, they have the deathward spell and the comunal delay poison spell.
Besides, the cleric, instead of the wizard(who must use a scroll to have more spells in his book), automatically knows every spell available to his class when he reaches the proper level, and can learn any each day.
Druids and witches get access to the "Heal" spell which cures several conditions, but the spell is one level higher for them.

There are many domains, they can provide different powers (deathward in area etc...) and spells he would not have as a cleric, like barskin or dimensional door (use the ecclesitheurge arquetype to use the domain spells as ones of the cleric list).
The typical combination of domains is : Community domain(level 1 power gives additional "cure light wounds" (3+ wisdom) per day and they removes fatigue, level 8 power is really good for bosses). Animal domain gives an animal companion to your healer.

In short:
versatility to change the spells for the day,
they repair everything, including death,
2 domains with their powers and spells, (some combinations are better than others)
channel positive energy to have additional cures in area.

So, in my book, yes, a cleric is recommended.

[wendigo211]

My answer's the same as Kingmaker, probably not. Between scrolls and characters like Bards, Alchemists and even Kineticists who can do some healing duty, it's probably not necessary. Having the guarded hearth ability could be useful, but there are other classes that can contribute more.

[Phil85]

Originally posted by Caelestus:

Its good to have main healer, and an off-healer. Especially one that can channel. So you'd want either Seelah, Camilia, or Sosiel, along with a main healer like Daeran and Ember.

Is Ember considered a main healer or do I have to convert her to a cleric?

[Caelestus]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Originally posted by Caelestus:

Its good to have main healer, and an off-healer. Especially one that can channel. So you'd want either Seelah, Camilia, or Sosiel, along with a main healer like Daeran and Ember.

Is Ember considered a main healer or do I have to convert her to a cleric?

A witch is essentially a cleric without the channels, but have hexes and have some elemental spells. She can cast all the important healing spells, including Raise Dead*.

[chrismyco]

on core on above no way you succeed without a healer. nearly every monster has nasty status effects or deal massive burst damage. oracle/cleric is definitely need on difficulties above core imo.

[Phil85]

Originally posted by Caelestus:

Originally posted by Phil85:

Is Ember considered a main healer or do I have to convert her to a cleric?

A witch is essentially a cleric without the channels, but have hexes and have some elemental spells. She can cast all the important healing spells, including Raise Dead*.

At level 4 Ember has one level 3 spell, cure moderate wounds. She can't learn from scrolls. Where is going to get all those good healing spells? Thanks.

[zpc]

While no party should go without a Cleric (especially for the lvl 4 negative energy immunity spell), Paladins can substitute as off-healers.

I can even recommend a paladin-bard (https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Martyr) as an off-healer with even more utility, staying power & combat value. If you're the sword'n board player with little arcane magic like me, that is :D

[fiordhraoi]

Especially at higher level, there are some REALLY good mythic cleric buffs. You can simultaneously give your entire party immunity to poison/disease/ability drain and damage/some other stuff I'm not remembering all with a single spell.

Combine this with the Mythic abilities that will extend buff spells out to 24 hours, and you're pretty OP on the buff front.

[Tourak]

Channel healing is just too good to pass imo

[belangf]

Originally posted by Phil85:

Originally posted by Caelestus:

A witch is essentially a cleric without the channels, but have hexes and have some elemental spells. She can cast all the important healing spells, including Raise Dead*.

At level 4 Ember has one level 3 spell, cure moderate wounds. She can't learn from scrolls. Where is going to get all those good healing spells? Thanks.

She gets higher level spells as she gains levels. Right now at level 11 she can cast Cure Critical about 11 times per day. Plus her healing hexes which she can use once per day on each character.

You have mythical abilities that give you more casting per day and also one that allows to cast them at a distance instead of touch. But I still carry Sosiel for the channel healing and other buffs

[Nito]

It is good to have delay poison, death ward and..... is there a spell that protects against ability damage ? probably no so only those two in case of heling just abuse resting