How to not have wenduag betray you?

[thkiwow]

hmmm, so.... I went with wenduag for her companion quest. and apperantly, she betrays me. now, this is no big deal as I can just pardon her, but this is chaotic stupid sort of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. me and wenduag fought demon lords, both deskari and baphomat. maybe even more than once. storywise... what's giving her the confidence that some noname ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from the abyss is good enough to go against me?
meh, but that doesn't matter. what matters is that I've taken the demonic power when facing him, I've romanced her and everything went fine, she said she likes me and everything. although my character broke up with her, I don't really understand what caused her to betray me.
it what world does she not betray you? I wonder. what does it take for you to do? because she's just looking for death at this point. and I'm honestly disappointed in her character. maybe earlier in the game... I don't know.

[Conquista]

you need to make the right decisions to gain i think 3 or 4 points of respect(or whatever the term was) from her, these are in:
in front of her tribe in drezen
knife situation
book situation
after finding her

not sure if the knife situation is only for romance

[thkiwow]

Conquista původně napsal:

you need to make the right decisions to gain i think 3 or 4 points of respect(or whatever the term was) from her, these are in:
in front of her tribe in drezen
knife situation
book situation
after finding her

not sure if the knife situation is only for romance

what knife and book situation? I don't remember...

[Sandermatt]

I think if you go with Lann and at the beginning of Act 3 reject her joining you, than she wont betray you and join you later on.

[thkiwow]

Conquista původně napsal:

you need to make the right decisions to gain i think 3 or 4 points of respect(or whatever the term was) from her, these are in:
in front of her tribe in drezen
knife situation
book situation
after finding her

not sure if the knife situation is only for romance

as a lich, it could've been cool if I could've killed her then ressurect her as undead. she wanted immortality, after all...

[thkiwow]

Sandermatt původně napsal:

I think if you go with Lann and at the beginning of Act 3 reject her joining you, than she wont betray you and join you later on.

no. she joined me from the start. and I don't think I did anything generally wrong except rejecting her romance at act 5. maybe that did it? I don't know.

[Conquista]

thkiwow původně napsal:

Conquista původně napsal:

you need to make the right decisions to gain i think 3 or 4 points of respect(or whatever the term was) from her, these are in:
in front of her tribe in drezen
knife situation
book situation
after finding her

not sure if the knife situation is only for romance

what knife and book situation? I don't remember...

both in act 3, in one she steals a knife from a merchant and you have to deal with the situation in the other the mongrel merchant girl disappear, you can find her body, her hidden cache with a book and hand it over to wenduag

[thkiwow]

Conquista původně napsal:

thkiwow původně napsal:

what knife and book situation? I don't remember...

both in act 3, in one she steals a knife from a merchant and you have to deal with the situation in the other the mongrel merchant girl disappear, you can find her body, her hidden cache with a book and hand it over to wenduag

oh, so that's what I did wrong. huh. I only have 2 instead of three. I do think I sent someone to pay for the knife. not sure if that's the right decision. maybe I did something else because of an earlier save. I read somewhere that for a good ending you have to admonish her.

[Conquista]

the 'good' ending for wenduag is only possible if you romance her, for non romance the best you can get is her not betraying you, but ya she has to respect you as her leader

[thkiwow]

Conquista původně napsal:

the 'good' ending for wenduag is only possible if you romance her, for non romance the best you can get is her not betraying you, but ya she has to respect you as her leader

I never romance her. because arushelae is just better in any conceivable way. but okay.

[jonoliveira12]

thkiwow původně napsal:

Conquista původně napsal:

the 'good' ending for wenduag is only possible if you romance her, for non romance the best you can get is her not betraying you, but ya she has to respect you as her leader

I never romance her. because arushelae is just better in any conceivable way. but okay.

Arushelae is just best girl.
She is this game`s Viconia, and honestly the only other romance option in videogames that I actually ever liked.

Or maybe I just have the weak knees for "evil-girl-turn-good-girl" and "secretly pure" options.

[Myrmicus]

It depends if you romance her or not.
The "knife situation" is a romance situation and isn't required as far as I know. What you need to do is (spoiler) :

1 - Do not show the light tu Sull during Act 1
2 - Pick Wenduag over Lann after the maze.
3 - During Act 3, after completing Wenduag's companion quest, there is a little scene in Drezen where she assert dominance over the Montgrels... say you want to play that game and assert dominance over her in front of the Montgrels.
4 - During Act 3, after completing Wenduag's companion quest, Dyra (the Montgrel merchant) goes missing. Talk to Sull about her and say you will find her. Go to the cemetery and find her body, go back to Sull and promise you will find the culprit, then find the hidden cache in the wall of the closest building, toward Drezen's entrance (I'm not sure, but I think that you have to promise Chief Sull you will find the culprit, which require you to find the body first, before the hidden cache can even be found). Read the letter, read the book, take the book and give it to Wenduag saying that Dyra died because of it and you will consider her responsible if anyone else die because of it.
5 - During Act 4 - after completing Wenduag's quest, she will be missing for some time. Go back to Savamalhek's mansion. Use the Stealth dialogue options and do not reveal yourself. After that, go back to camp and say to Wenduag that you're not afraid of her betraying you, because it's better for her to betray anyone who would try to make her turn against you.
Alternatively, if for some reason you waited too long and Wenduag is back before you could go back to Savamalhek's mansion, you can initiate the same dialogue with an Intimidation option.

If you did all this correctly, Wenduag will side with you against Savamalhek during the last part of her companion questline.

I also heard that she will side with you, without you needing to do all that, if you romance her the right way. I do not know if this is true and, if it is, what dialogue options during romance make her side with you.

thkiwow původně napsal:

I never romance her. because arushelae is just better in any conceivable way. but okay.

To each his own, I guess. Wenduag is a good romance for both good and evil playthrough.

[thkiwow]

Myrmicus původně napsal:

It depends if you romance her or not.
The "knife situation" is a romance situation and isn't required as far as I know. What you need to do is (spoiler) :

1 - Do not show the light tu Sull during Act 1
2 - Pick Wenduag over Lann after the maze.
3 - During Act 3, after completing Wenduag's companion quest, there is a little scene in Drezen where she assert dominance over the Montgrels... say you want to play that game and assert dominance over her in front of the Montgrels.
4 - During Act 3, after completing Wenduag's companion quest, Dyra (the Montgrel merchant) goes missing. Talk to Sull about her and say you will find her. Go to the cemetery and find her body, go back to Sull and promise you will find the culprit, then find the hidden cache in the wall of the closest building, toward Drezen's entrance (I'm not sure, but I think that you have to promise Chief Sull you will find the culprit, which require you to find the body first, before the hidden cache can even be found). Read the letter, read the book, take the book and give it to Wenduag saying that Dyra died because of it and you will consider her responsible if anyone else die because of it.
5 - During Act 4 - after completing Wenduag's quest, she will be missing for some time. Go back to Savamalhek's mansion. Use the Stealth dialogue options and do not reveal yourself. After that, go back to camp and say to Wenduag that you're not afraid of her betraying you, because it's better for her to betray anyone who would try to make her turn against you.
Alternatively, if for some reason you waited too long and Wenduag is back before you could go back to Savamalhek's mansion, you can initiate the same dialogue with an Intimidation option.

If you did all this correctly, Wenduag will side with you against Savamalhek during the last part of her companion questline.

I also heard that she will side with you, without you needing to do all that, if you romance her the right way. I do not know if this is true and, if it is, what dialogue options during romance make her side with you.

thkiwow původně napsal:

I never romance her. because arushelae is just better in any conceivable way. but okay.

To each his own, I guess. Wenduag is a good romance for both good and evil playthrough.

as far as I got it, I romanced her until act five, because my character just romanced everybody. you need to admire her being strong and everything, don't choose the evil options in most dialogs, but don't admonish her or pity her. in act 4 there's this particular scene where she talks to you after svenmelah dude revealed himself to be her father. you talk to her here, after choosing the right options, you do it the 'right way' without the sub dom thingy. you know the right options because she will just cease speaking to you any other way. don't choose evil. she tells you that you know exactly what to say to make her feel better and that she loves you or something. I think that after that she will not betray you. I haven't tested it though. so don't count on it. it'll be weird if after such a heartfelt moment she chooses to kill you.

[thkiwow]

Myrmicus původně napsal:

To each his own, I guess. Wenduag is a good romance for both good and evil playthrough.

of course, you can also corrupt arushelae then romance her. as I've said, she is better than her in every conceivable way.

[Myrmicus]

thkiwow původně napsal:

of course, you can also corrupt arushelae then romance her. as I've said, she is better than her in every conceivable way.

I wouldn't agree with this, I feel that Wenduag has a lot more depth of character than Arueshalae. Don't get me wrong, I love Arue and her romance, but I do prefer Wenduag.

[thkiwow]

Myrmicus původně napsal:

thkiwow původně napsal:

of course, you can also corrupt arushelae then romance her. as I've said, she is better than her in every conceivable way.

I wouldn't agree with this, I feel that Wenduag has a lot more depth of character than Arueshalae. Don't get me wrong, I love Arue and her romance, but I do prefer Wenduag.

in depth how? the only word that comes out of her mouth is 'strong' this, 'strong' that. either that or she shuts up and behaves like a servant. obviously she's been brainwashed. even if we compare evil personalities, arushelae is a millenia old demon who had done countless atrocities. she is cruel and cunning. whereas wenduag is 'cunning' by siding with a weak demon who would betray her as soon as she's done, knowing you are fully capable of masscering demon lords. she is stupid af.
in terms of likeabilty, arushela is more likeable. wenduag is more likely to betray you than not. she just has a better personality.