So... is this still a buggy mess?

[Sailor Paladin]

I'm finally considering buying this piece of crap.
But the last time I've heard it discussed (in a generally positive light, hilariously enough) by my friends, all I've heard is: "there's this quest that's so completely broken that I had to install a mod to get it fixed, lol".
"yeah, I had to get, like, three mods to actually progress through the main questline"
"alignment system makes zero sense, so I had to mod it"
Etc.

Still, the game has been out for 3 years now.
It's not still broken beyond belief, right?
Right?

Because I really don't want to spend all day mod-searching just to play the bloody thing.

[Glyph]

I have finished the game multiple times, once recently, without any bugs that kept me from continuing. I do not use any mods.

There are still some mechanical bugs.

[pckirk]

Originally posted by Sailor Paladin:

I'm finally considering buying this piece of crap.

Why bother since you already have a negative attitude about the game?

Yes there is some bugs, but nothing has ever caused me to not finish my previous 10 runs in this game. And yes, mods make a big difference in this game being fully playable in a fun experience.

It is a good game with alot of replay ability

[Chan]

I've played through and beaten the main campaign like 6 or 7 times and had one bug in that entire time that was fixed by reloading a 5 minute old save. Sounds like you don't really want to play it, so don't waste your money lol.

[Razer]

You are what you play

[Sailor Paladin]

Originally posted by pckirk:

Why bother since you already have a negative attitude about the game?

If you release the game and players complain that it's literally unbeatable because of the bugs - you probably did a crappy job in general (story, visuals, soundtrack, mechanics, balance), not just in bug-fixing (cough-cough, Bethesda, cough-cough).

If it's a good game - it's a good game, though. I can be objective and patient.
Plenty of games that had a horrific first impression on me ended up being rather spectacular in the end (Sekiro, Hollow Knight, some others).

Hell, even if it is a bad game I might enjoy it. I actually played a lot of Fallout 4. It's trash. Absolutely garbage. Don't play it. Don't give Bethesda your money. They genuinely don't deserve it.
I have 500 hours in that game, damn it.

Anyway, judging by the replies, it appears that the game is actually playable now, three years later.
That's good. Genuinely. That means that the developers give at least half of a damn.
Thank you. I'll give it a shot.

[anfindel13]

The game is playable now. The game was playable 3 years ago. The game will continue to be playable 3 years from now. The game has mechanical bugs, like EVERY gave that has ever been released.. None of those bugs have prevented me from playing or enjoying the game. At absolute worst, I've had to put it aside for a few days when updates or DLC come out - again same as with EVERY game. But of course, there are always some folks who have never played a crpg and insist on playing the game on Unfair - and then complaining it is ...get ready...get set...unfair!!

But please, do NOT play this "piece of crap". Also, don't buy that "piece of trash" house down the block, don't take that "slave-driven" job and don't date that "skanky broad". The world will be a better place if you refrain from all.

[Dre]

Played the game until the end in release with no breaking bugs or needing mods, and like everyone said, actually the ones that appear are most mechanic related (since this game has tons of stats) Game is awesome, was playable back in release and has improved a lot in terms of fixing, better aesthetics and inmersive stuff and content.

[Beautiful Ham Sandwich]

I know this is a small thing to bring up, but why would it take you a full day to get a mod or three?

[Soul]

Originally posted by Sailor Paladin:

Originally posted by pckirk:

Why bother since you already have a negative attitude about the game?

If you release the game and players complain that it's literally unbeatable because of the bugs - you probably did a crappy job in general (story, visuals, soundtrack, mechanics, balance), not just in bug-fixing (cough-cough, Bethesda, cough-cough).

If it's a good game - it's a good game, though. I can be objective and patient.
Plenty of games that had a horrific first impression on me ended up being rather spectacular in the end (Sekiro, Hollow Knight, some others).

Hell, even if it is a bad game I might enjoy it. I actually played a lot of Fallout 4. It's trash. Absolutely garbage. Don't play it. Don't give Bethesda your money. They genuinely don't deserve it.
I have 500 hours in that game, damn it.

Anyway, judging by the replies, it appears that the game is actually playable now, three years later.
That's good. Genuinely. That means that the developers give at least half of a damn.
Thank you. I'll give it a shot.

the devs always cared.....

problem was the timing and all..... I mean they had just became an independent company and lost the rights to kingmaker.... so this was their first game as a independent company.... and kickstarter funded too.... think they had like little over 100 people as staff at the time according to their website at the time....

and with over 200 classes and so many variations of those classes you can pull off.... pretty sure bugs are to be expected.... it was really ambitious giving players so much variety to chose from....

of course over time their team grew and they are working on more games.... but they are slowly working out the kinks in this game.... think they wanted to focus more on the DLC's and improve them to the best they could since releasing new DLC tended to make more bugs.... now that the DLC is released they can really focus on polishing the game....

[Sailor Paladin]

Originally posted by Beautiful Ham Sandwich:

I know this is a small thing to bring up, but why would it take you a full day to get a mod or three?

Because:
a) I'm used to modding Bethesda games and it's basically "ok, so, in order for this to work, I need to download this, and this, and this off-site resource..."
b) It's not even getting the mods, it's knowing what I'm getting the mods FOR.
Sometimes there's a "catch-all, handy-dandy bugfix" (that usually still leaves a few bugs in the game).
Other times there's a few dozen of stuff like "fix for this hyperspecific issue that only happens if you select this dialogue option as this class, at this time".

Originally posted by Slynuts86:

Its ok to criticize what you dont like, or what you believe could be better. But you gotta remember there's this group of autistic bottom feeders, with no life that are waiting to come take shots at somebody that posted something like this.

Oh, that's to be expected. This is the internet, people get angry at me all the time - sometimes enough to wish me death in my profile.
I save those comments and cherish them. They're lovely.

However, among the noise, I've ultimately gotten my answer: the damn game is playable without me modding it.
Good. I'll purchase it at some point this week, then.

P.S. If anything I've learned that the playerbase for this game is rather polite, comparatively speaking. I distinctly remember the self-proclaimed "one of the most friendly and helpful communities" saying that I'm horrible at the game (despite me playing on the highest, at the time, difficulty), and refuse to listen to advice and is, in general, a ♥♥♥♥ human being, because I was (successfully) using a build that was different from someone else.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Sailor Paladin:

Originally posted by Beautiful Ham Sandwich:

I know this is a small thing to bring up, but why would it take you a full day to get a mod or three?

Because:
a) I'm used to modding Bethesda games and it's basically "ok, so, in order for this to work, I need to download this, and this, and this off-site resource..."
b) It's not even getting the mods, it's knowing what I'm getting the mods FOR.
Sometimes there's a "catch-all, handy-dandy bugfix" (that usually still leaves a few bugs in the game).
Other times there's a few dozen of stuff like "fix for this hyperspecific issue that only happens if you select this dialogue option as this class, at this time".

Originally posted by Slynuts86:

Its ok to criticize what you dont like, or what you believe could be better. But you gotta remember there's this group of autistic bottom feeders, with no life that are waiting to come take shots at somebody that posted something like this.

Oh, that's to be expected. This is the internet, people get angry at me all the time - sometimes enough to wish me death in my profile.
I save those comments and cherish them. They're lovely.

However, among the noise, I've ultimately gotten my answer: the damn game is playable without me modding it.
Good. I'll purchase it at some point this week, then.

P.S. If anything I've learned that the playerbase for this game is rather polite, comparatively speaking. I distinctly remember the self-proclaimed "one of the most friendly and helpful communities" saying that I'm horrible at the game (despite me playing on the highest, at the time, difficulty), and refuse to listen to advice and is, in general, a ♥♥♥♥ human being, because I was (successfully) using a build that was different from someone else.

Which is weird, because you can play fallout 4 fine without mods and complete the game and do all quests.

Some things don't work properly in this game (such as certain class features, spells, or feats), but there's no progression blocking bug. It's more depending on the class you wish to play and how bad you think the bug is. Currently you're basing your opinion on that the game was unplayable. That was certainly not the case.

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

No bugs on my part. At least nothing disturbing.
As for Fallout, apart from common glitches you can find in any game with those settings, it's not buggy either.

[Levi G]

Still many bugs in turn based mode linked to spells/abilities, some of them existing since launch. Can be very annoying and game breaking at unfair/Ironman mode

[Vertigo]

From the last time I checked: Bismuth is still broken. I also encounter problems with the primalist getting their bloodline abilities as they level (I know you have to turn off the rage effect box). A while back I did have some crashes after the Dance of Masks came out (along with some slowdown issues). It seems better now.

You do not need mods to play the game, so that is a plus. That said, there are annoying bugs from time to time.

[hilburnashua]

There are quite a few known and reported bugs, usually having to do with class abilities or interactions with class abilities and spells. But I haven't had anything brick my game in multiple playthroughs.

So the bugs are annoying requiring a respec to avoid taking a choice that isn't working as advertised, and can cause some problems (I lost Lann due to respeccing him before going back to camp after dealing with his "dad" in act 4) but there is so much story and playtime that I would still recommend playing the game.

If you have a really, really old computer with a slow CPU you might want to avoid the game as it puts a lot of stress on the cpu and not the gpu.