Aldori Dueling Mastery [WORKING NOW]

[RandomDude2018]

Aldori Dueling Mastery feat does not work anymore. No +2 Shield to AC or +2 to initiative. Doesn't matter if you are in combat or not.

I'm on the GOG version 2.4.0z. Why there's a Z and not X at the end? Typo by GOG?

Can anyone confirm?

[mbradtke]

there is a icon beside the weapon in the inventory, make sure it is on single handed, means 1 sword i think, it wont work if u two-hand it i think

edit: or was it other way around, not sure to be honest...

[Razer]

It's a wasted feat though. The shield AC doesn't stack with shield spell. And +2 initiative is also not very good with all the initiative you can already get.

[RandomDude2018]

Originally posted by Razer:

It's a wasted feat though. The shield AC doesn't stack with shield spell. And +2 initiative is also not very good with all the initiative you can already get.

It always stacked and the bonus to initiative was displayed in the Martial tab.

Even if it gave me AC only i'd always take it.

Typical Owlcat situation here. Breaking something that worked. Who knows when the next patch will be...

[Razer]

Originally posted by RandomDude2018:

Originally posted by Razer:

It's a wasted feat though. The shield AC doesn't stack with shield spell. And +2 initiative is also not very good with all the initiative you can already get.

It always stacked and the bonus to initiative was displayed in the Martial tab.

Even if it gave me AC only i'd always take it.

Typical Owlcat situation here. Breaking something that worked. Who knows when the next patch will be...

How does a shield bonus stack with a shield bonus? I have tested this a long time ago and if you cast shield on someone with this feat it just gives you the +4 and overwrites the +2. Doesn't give a total of +6. Initiative is always untyped so that stacks. But there's so many ways to get initiative the +2 from this feat isn't going to matter at all. Hence the feat will only give +2 initiative if you buff up your character to full. And spending an entire feat for just +2 initiative seems wasted to me. better off gettting something with more value to your character.

[RandomDude2018]

You are wrong. The bonus always stacked because it comes from a feat and those always stack. If it did not i'd never pick it.

I thought one of the people here would actually test it in their game but i guess that is too much to ask.

The feat is f***ing amazing and you can't convince me otherwise.

The fact is that it doesn't work and needs to get fixed OR removed from the game. I had to use Toybox to fix it for me. Can't count on Owlcat.

[mk11]

That it doesn't stack with shield spell was added to the Fextralife wiki in April 2023 so seems to have been the case for a while. This is not unexpected because bonuses don't normally stack except for untyped and dodge bonuses. A patch awhile ago fixed a lot of stacking issues.

Don't see why the absence of stacking is seen as making the feat useless. Most parties don't have a way for a character wielding a 1-handed weapon to get a shield bonus so it is good for that.

[RandomDude2018]

You never questioned natural armor stacking from various sources (these are not untyped):
Ironhide
Lizard Familiar
Iceplant Hex
Mutagen

I'm guessing i'm the only one that used this feat and have seen it work as described.

I'll repat myself. The bonus stacked because it comes from a feat and those always stack. If it did not i'd never pick it.

Yet again no one here tested it in their game??? Only theorycrafting and digging in the internet?

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by RandomDude2018:

You are wrong. The bonus always stacked because it comes from a feat and those always stack. If it did not i'd never pick it.

I thought one of the people here would actually test it in their game but i guess that is too much to ask.

The feat is f***ing amazing and you can't convince me otherwise.

The fact is that it doesn't work and needs to get fixed OR removed from the game. I had to use Toybox to fix it for me. Can't count on Owlcat.

If it ever stacked, that was a mistake. Very few bonuses of the same type stack, and shield is not one of the bonus that does stack. The fact that it comes from a feat is meaningless.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by RandomDude2018:

You never questioned natural armor stacking from various sources (these are not untyped):
Ironhide
Lizard Familiar
Iceplant Hex
Mutagen

I'm guessing i'm the only one that used this feat and have seen it work as described.

I'll repat myself. The bonus stacked because it comes from a feat and those always stack. If it did not i'd never pick it.

Yet again no one here tested it in their game??? Only theorycrafting and digging in the internet?

Ironhide - untyped
Mutagen - untyped bonus to natural armor. A lot of people assume it's alchemical, but the bonus to Str/Dex/Con are the only part of that item that are an alchemical bonus
Iceplant Hex - also untyped
Lizard Familiar - untyped

A typed bonus would say something like "enchancement", "alchemical", "dodge", "divine", "holy", "unholy"

I can see where you are confused with things provide a "natural armor bonus" such as the four listed above. Compare that to the Barkskin spell which provides " an enhancement bonus to the creature natural armor bonus". Shield bonus don't stack, says so right in the CRB for Pathfinder in the Equipment section for Shields. Here is a link to the D20 site (since you cannot link a specific section of the books from Paizo's own website).

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/armor/

So, again, if it ever stacked, it was a bug.

[Razer]

Originally posted by mk11:

That it doesn't stack with shield spell was added to the Fextralife wiki in April 2023 so seems to have been the case for a while. This is not unexpected because bonuses don't normally stack except for untyped and dodge bonuses. A patch awhile ago fixed a lot of stacking issues.

Don't see why the absence of stacking is seen as making the feat useless. Most parties don't have a way for a character wielding a 1-handed weapon to get a shield bonus so it is good for that.

I always bring a vivisectionist. And Angel provides shield bonus party wide. +4 AC too good to pass up on.

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by RandomDude2018:

Yet again no one here tested it in their game??? Only theorycrafting and digging in the internet?

Tested it. AC from that feat does not stack with Shield, nor with Shield Spell. And that is how it is supposed to work, since both are Shield bonuses to AC, so if it ever stacked in past, that was the bug.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Originally posted by RandomDude2018:

Yet again no one here tested it in their game??? Only theorycrafting and digging in the internet?

Tested it. AC from that feat does not stack with Shield, nor with Shield Spell. And that is how it is supposed to work, since both are Shield bonuses to AC, so if it ever stacked in past, that was the bug.

I mean I have tested it and it doesn't stack. I already said so, but OP doesn't want to believe it.

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Tested it. AC from that feat does not stack with Shield, nor with Shield Spell. And that is how it is supposed to work, since both are Shield bonuses to AC, so if it ever stacked in past, that was the bug.

I mean I have tested it and it doesn't stack. I already said so, but OP doesn't want to believe it.

I've never seen the Shield bonuses from the feat and spell stack, not in this game or Kingmaker. As far as I know, it's working correctly.

[Metrod125]

Originally posted by FunkyMonkey:

Originally posted by Razer:

I mean I have tested it and it doesn't stack. I already said so, but OP doesn't want to believe it.

I've never seen the Shield bonuses from the feat and spell stack, not in this game or Kingmaker. As far as I know, it's working correctly.

Base armor/shield bonuses (as far as am aware) had never stacked. One overwrites the other if the bonus is bigger. With +4 base shield bonus being the largest bonus being available to everyone outside of a water kineticist that can gain a higher base bonus with their powers.

[mbradtke]

Originally posted by RandomDude2018:

You never questioned natural armor stacking from various sources (these are not untyped):
Ironhide
Lizard Familiar
Iceplant Hex
Mutagen

I'm guessing i'm the only one that used this feat and have seen it work as described.

I'll repat myself. The bonus stacked because it comes from a feat and those always stack. If it did not i'd never pick it.

Yet again no one here tested it in their game??? Only theorycrafting and digging in the internet?

it is not about theorycrafting, but rules, some bonuses stack, some dont, you also can not use metamagic feat + rod item, they dont stack, shield bonuses do not stack, else it is a bug, for that case it would be an untyped bonus if that was intented, normal natural armor bonuses f.e do stack but shield just doesnt doesnt, the feat is just useful if you dont have the option to cast the shield spell on yourself what is usually the case as warrior, it is not a bad feat but in wraith just not very good, but i think you are a bit confused about the topic, it doesnt matter where a bonus comes from, can be spell, feat, racial, whatever, it depends on the tags, as @Immortal Reaver has said, it is working as intended if it adds the bonus in game in a non stacking way