Ramien/Hulrun Act 3 spoiler

[Razer]

So what triggers Ramien to come to Drezen in Act 3? I know either Ramien or Hulrun shows up and stays in the city. Ramien took the Wardstone with him. I think Hulrun didn't. Not sure if that's influencable either.
I just want to know if there's anything in Act 1 you need to do to make sure Ramien shows up in Act 3. I know you can save both, but you can only have either the Desnans or the Inquisitors help you in the Gray Garrison. Does this decision influence who joins in Drezen? Or is it always Hulrun if both are alive?

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Razer:

So what triggers Ramien to come to Drezen in Act 3? I know either Ramien or Hulrun shows up and stays in the city. Ramien took the Wardstone with him. I think Hulrun didn't. Not sure if that's influencable either.
I just want to know if there's anything in Act 1 you need to do to make sure Ramien shows up in Act 3. I know you can save both, but you can only have either the Desnans or the Inquisitors help you in the Gray Garrison. Does this decision influence who joins in Drezen? Or is it always Hulrun if both are alive?

I guess would imagine the ones helping in Gray Garrison to join at Drezen? No idea if actually so simple.. maybe someone knows for sure.

I killed Hulrun in market so did obviously kinda have just the Ramien choice/showing to Drezen for that action of doing some karma justice on the inquisitors lmao.

Even in hindsight i am glad i killed Hulrun in market district.. if i had not have another chance for that in Drezen, would have been sad.. he was so annoying and got what he deserved.

Maybe will spare him in my next playthrough to see if the does anything worthwhile during the rest of the game if uses him as ally. Oh god.. that gonna be so hard, to listen to his boasting and holier than thou attitude.. will be probably hardest thing after picking Lann over Wenduag next time and so on, Wenduag been a delightful cat-spider-monster-thingy with extra groveling. ^^

[Razer]

Originally posted by Lelu♡:

Originally posted by Razer:

So what triggers Ramien to come to Drezen in Act 3? I know either Ramien or Hulrun shows up and stays in the city. Ramien took the Wardstone with him. I think Hulrun didn't. Not sure if that's influencable either.
I just want to know if there's anything in Act 1 you need to do to make sure Ramien shows up in Act 3. I know you can save both, but you can only have either the Desnans or the Inquisitors help you in the Gray Garrison. Does this decision influence who joins in Drezen? Or is it always Hulrun if both are alive?

I guess would imagine the ones helping in Gray Garrison to join at Drezen? No idea if actually so simple.. maybe someone knows for sure.

I killed Hulrun in market so did obviously kinda have just the Ramien choice/showing to Drezen for that action of doing some karma justice on the inquisitors lmao.

Even in hindsight i am glad i killed Hulrun in market district.. if i had not have another chance for that in Drezen, would have been sad.. he was so annoying and got what he deserved. :LaughingOwlcat:

Maybe will spare him in my next playthrough to see if the does anything worthwhile during the rest of the game if uses him as ally. Oh god.. that gonna be so hard, to listen to his boasting and holier than thou attitude.. will be probably hardest thing after picking Lann over Wenduag next time and so on, Wenduag been a delightful cat-spider-monster-thingy with extra groveling. ^^

Yea the thing is, his assistance in the Gray Garrisson is so much more valuable than the Desnans, but I agree he belongs on the gallows himself. Just want to know what to pick. Don't want to see Hulrun ever again.

[canuck250]

Originally posted by Razer:

Don't want to see Hulrun ever again.

Depends if you want to save everyone late game, then you might want to see him again.

[Razer]

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by Razer:

Don't want to see Hulrun ever again.

Depends if you want to save everyone late game, then you might want to see him again.

If you mean choose between Queen and The people at the Banner. I choose the people at the Banner. Queen is nearly just as annoying as Hulrun. But yea fair point on his involvement later.

[canuck250]

Ya in Iz, with him is the only way to save all 3.

But totally fair, Queen banishes you then kills your army and Hulrun is well him

[Erei]

Originally posted by Lelu♡:

I guess would imagine the ones helping in Gray Garrison to join at Drezen? No idea if actually so simple.. maybe someone knows for sure.

Nope. On almost all my run I have the desnan in the GG and if Hulrun wasn't killed (which tend to happen), then he still show up in Drezen instead.
If Hulrun die, Ramien come. Otherwise it's Hulrun. Ramien is kicked from the city if you don't kill Hulrun, even as a peaceful solution, so he can't take the wardstone with him. Especially since Hulrun still hates his guts and think he is a traitor.

[Baraz]

The patch today marked that I failed to inform Ramien of my decision to side with him rather than with Halrun. I am pretty much a completionist, but it seems I forgot to do that step... so Ramien was not informed of his exile (easy to miss or forget I found: I will try and read my journal better next time, but even then I would have to realize Ramien was near the defense...).

I am at the very start of Act 3, so I don't know myself if siding with Ramien will be ignored or have an impact... since I forgot to inform Ramien about it... If I am lucky, he is not dead yet... The patch change today seems to mean it is just too late.

[jedi7000nathan/sevenbillionjedi]

Originally posted by Razer:

So what triggers Ramien to come to Drezen in Act 3? I know either Ramien or Hulrun shows up and stays in the city. Ramien took the Wardstone with him. I think Hulrun didn't. Not sure if that's influencable either.
I just want to know if there's anything in Act 1 you need to do to make sure Ramien shows up in Act 3. I know you can save both, but you can only have either the Desnans or the Inquisitors help you in the Gray Garrison. Does this decision influence who joins in Drezen? Or is it always Hulrun if both are alive?

Easy for Ramien to show up in act 3 you have to kill Halrun in act 1 something I've done- every playthrough because I hate Inquisitors period in any setting. Don't care if they are needed still hate them and will still kill them.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Erei:

Originally posted by Lelu♡:

I guess would imagine the ones helping in Gray Garrison to join at Drezen? No idea if actually so simple.. maybe someone knows for sure.

Nope. On almost all my run I have the desnan in the GG and if Hulrun wasn't killed (which tend to happen), then he still show up in Drezen instead.
If Hulrun die, Ramien come. Otherwise it's Hulrun. Ramien is kicked from the city if you don't kill Hulrun, even as a peaceful solution, so he can't take the wardstone with him. Especially since Hulrun still hates his guts and think he is a traitor.

Ooh thanks, that's good to know for future runs. :)

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by jedi7000nathan/sevenbillionjedi:

... because I hate Inquisitors period in any setting. Don't care if they are needed still hate them and will still kill them.

As Demon Bloodseeker Commander i fully support this statement. Only me and my closest officers & party members shall have the authority to deliver justice instantly. Strict order is needed to run a citadel and we are also making crusading great again! We do it the right way as has been proven by record of only victories. ^^

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

Hulrun is pretty important Lelu. Not that you cannot finish the game, but if you're following a lawful good run. Azata is more chaotic, Angel is more lawful. Hulrun goes with Angel, Ramiel with Azata.
The alignment system is what gives the RP value and replayability of the game to mythic paths.
If you go Demon, you should get rid of both. Obviously, if you're a Lich or Swarm, that's even more accurate RP wise.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Jean-Maurice Nya:

Hulrun is pretty important Lelu. Not that you cannot finish the game, but if you're following a lawful good run. Azata is more chaotic, Angel is more lawful. Hulrun goes with Angel, Ramiel with Azata.
The alignment system is what gives the RP value and replayability of the game to mythic paths.
If you go Demon, you should get rid of both. Obviously, if you're a Lich or Swarm, that's even more accurate RP wise.

I was not Demon at that point, yet.. As Bloodseeker archetype (pretty much feels like playing a Vampire) more like mischievous Lawful Evil commoner girl who ended up wounded in Kenabres, was healed by a kind Silver Dragon and then started to have good time and a drink or two in the market and boom - suddenly a wild Deskari appears and demon horde invades, ruining a perfectly fine party.

So obviously i took that personally and got annoyed, some random soldier gave me a crossbow, that i did use to shoot Deskari while shouting "Away, you rascal!" menacingly. While it did hit, things did not go well and i ended up underground.. where i did find many cool new friends and started my legendary journey. Now my powers are growing and i take down strong demons and monsters, tearing them apart and bathing in the blood of my enemies!

And i was never Lawful Good, i was Lawful Evil actually at start.. and now during game at Act 3 at level 13 i have went to Neutral Evil because chosen so many Chaotic choices.. mostly because Nocticula wanted me to purge "All Good and Lawfulness" out of me, so i went to Neutral Evil by many choices to keep my Demon club membership. I did get mythic 4 from that old Areelu's lab just yesterday. Imagine, now i lead a citadel and crusade.. as a Bloodseeker who has grown a demonic tail etc. But i promise i am not at all suspicious!

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

Nobody is in RPGs. You just gave us a tale about normality.
You're telling that to a former chaotic evil elemental winter dhampir witch that went Azata because charmed by the song of Elysium, but kept the sweet Camelia to puncture evil doers.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Jean-Maurice Nya:

Nobody is in RPGs. You just gave us a tale about normality.

Yes! I am perfectly normal and a fine Knight Commander at that.

I do admit to several murders, but those were clearly needed thingies.. for the crusade and all that. *krhm*

I also did kill that angel Targona after releasing her from behind the barrier in Areelu's old lab. I had this weird demonic urge to challenge old enemy, no idea where that urge came from, but i had to. But did it even happen to be honest.. since there was no one to see it? Except my 100% loyal party members who i consider friends. I did not report that incident when returned to Drezen. ^^

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Jean-Maurice Nya:

You're telling that to a former chaotic evil elemental winter dhampir witch that went Azata because charmed by the song of Elysium, but kept the sweet Camelia to puncture evil doers.

That sounds cool! ^^

Camellia has been nothing but fully loyal to me, same as Daeran and Wenduag also.. they let me handle the business my way. So i let Camellia handle her ritual business the way she wants. We all got out little secrets and burdens. We are carrying this crusade quite literally, we do what we must and what we want. It is all for the greater common goal.

You know what though? I should have like a cool throne.. Nocticula has one, i should too. During our meeting i kept thinking.. "Where is MY throne?" People of Drezen should build me one. I should put Irabeth on this, she has things to prove after her weak moment during liberation of Drezen. I bet she would get me somehow the grandest of thrones in all of Mendev. So i could sit up high and look down on the peasants who come visit me for their silly requests daily. Someday, soon..