Which Darean build is best for a pure support heal-bot role?

[Sandermatt]

I don't pan on having him in the main party, but it seems at some points in the campaign you have to play with non-main companions. I therefore would still need to level him up and I would prefere a support role.

I have found two builds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn8F-a-v-Fw
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1rkpl7wpDo

and wanted to know which one is better or if there is a more optimized well documented build available (basically so I can just copy the choices, not "here is 5 vague tips on how to build him)

[Conquista]

the second is pretty bad but az least has a linked spreadsheet, so i would go with that

[darkholyPL]

Originally posted by Sandermatt:

I don't pan on having him in the main party, but it seems at some points in the campaign you have to play with non-main companions.

Then why bother with a build at all? And not going heavy into spoilers or anything, that 'some point' is one single fight, not counting of course if you bring him to do his char quests along the way.
Honestly you don't need a build for him if you're not using him full time. Just get boundless healing and abundant casting and you're set. Anything else doesn't even matter for one fight.

[Sandermatt]

So, so far I run into one situation, in act 2 already, where I could for a while not select characters and I am not yet sure how often I need him for the personal quests. I read here about the much later situation as well.

I might also use him very shortly for the duration while one current member of the main party stops being available and before I get the new member I intend for the main party in replacement for the one that stops being available in act 2.

Either way it makes sense to have him leveled.

[Bishop]

Making him a summoner is also an option. Llv 6 he can spend mythic ability to grab nature secret, then level 7 and 11 spend his secret bonuses to grab animal companion and all summon animal spells. Can also get augmented/whatever summon feats to make them stronger. It works pretty well with him being a buffbot because he can spend his empty turns actually doing something meaningful rather than shooting his crossbow for 4 damage once in bluemoon.

[Gregorovitch]

IMO Daeran is fantasic 'cos being a spontaneous caster he can always deal out multiple casts of what you need right now - Death Wards for instance. But therein lies the rub - so long as he knows the spell in question.

I think the most difficult thing about building Daeran is choosing his spells at each level up. Which one now and which one next time etc. Sometimes this can be an agonising decision.

Second major issue is his second mystery at L7. Most would recommend either Nature or Ancestor. Both are very, very good. But they are also very, very different. You can't have both. Cue agonising decision.

Personally I went with Nature. This gives him a Wolf which is very strong and incredibly useful and it also gives him a wide range of useful summons including the monster Creeping Doom. You know how annoying those bloody swarms are, right? Yeah, Creeping Doom = payback time.

He also can get a feat to enable him to cast heals at range. This is a no-brainer pick IMO, it's brilliant. Literally a life saver.

Anyway Daeran is the ultimate healer/summoner/buff-bot IMO, so long as you pick his spells correctly. Fortunately you can respec him if you forget an important one.

[Gorwe]

Daeran is fantastic, the only question is whether he is better than Ember. I...don't think so. But he's at least better than that deadweight Graybor. By far! :)

[Sandermatt]

Originally posted by Conquista:

the second is pretty bad but az least has a linked spreadsheet, so i would go with that

If they are both bad, is there another build published by somebody that is a healer build and actually good (and fully documented)?

[gmwaddington]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Personally I went with Nature. This gives him a Wolf which is very strong and incredibly useful and it also gives him a wide range of useful summons including the monster Creeping Doom. You know how annoying those bloody swarms are, right? Yeah, Creeping Doom = payback time.

The Friend to the Animals Revelation gives a huge save buff to all the animal companions in your party (+9 when I looked at a saving throw recently - lvl 20).

[Conquista]

Originally posted by Sandermatt:

Originally posted by Conquista:

the second is pretty bad but az least has a linked spreadsheet, so i would go with that

If they are both bad, is there another build published by somebody that is a healer build and actually good (and fully documented)?

i personally like daeran as nature oracle summoner like in the first video, but my main problem with that video is missing spreadsheet

[PuppYofDOOM]

I tbink daeran and nenio are the only two who are better without a build and just straight their class

[zekitbot]

Seconded that Daeran and Nenio are both pretty good autoleveled. Daeran is a great healer after getting mythic boundless healing. There's also a headgear item that boosts positive and negative channeling and is really good for him. He's pretty much buff-only in the party; bless, prayer, protection from alignment, shield of faith etc. Not really a damage dealer.

I wouldn't know about Ember's build because I can't tolerate her personality lol. But I do think Daeran and Nenio are built pretty well. The thiefling guy isn't bad either, but would have preferred him as a regular rogue, able to wear armor, no spells, etc.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by zekitbot:

Seconded that Daeran and Nenio are both pretty good autoleveled. Daeran is a great healer after getting mythic boundless healing. There's also a headgear item that boosts positive and negative channeling and is really good for him. He's pretty much buff-only in the party; bless, prayer, protection from alignment, shield of faith etc. Not really a damage dealer.

He just wastes party's action economy when left with nothing else to do. He has to spend his actions every turn on something beneficial for the party even when there's no one to heal or buff.

[zekitbot]

Originally posted by Bishop:

Originally posted by zekitbot:

Seconded that Daeran and Nenio are both pretty good autoleveled. Daeran is a great healer after getting mythic boundless healing. There's also a headgear item that boosts positive and negative channeling and is really good for him. He's pretty much buff-only in the party; bless, prayer, protection from alignment, shield of faith etc. Not really a damage dealer.

He just wastes party's action economy when left with nothing else to do. He has to spend his actions every turn on something beneficial for the party even when there's no one to heal or buff.

That's true, though the vanilla build is pretty good for pure support heal-bot, which is what OP was asking for.

I gave him the Oracle-only crossbow that you find somewhere and he does occasionally crit and kill a babau with it. Which is alright if you aren't going for min-max.
(edit: totally wrong about item location before. It's from Topaz Solutions in Kenabres)

[PuppYofDOOM]

Originally posted by zekitbot:

Seconded that Daeran and Nenio are both pretty good autoleveled. Daeran is a great healer after getting mythic boundless healing. There's also a headgear item that boosts positive and negative channeling and is really good for him. He's pretty much buff-only in the party; bless, prayer, protection from alignment, shield of faith etc. Not really a damage dealer.

I wouldn't know about Ember's build because I can't tolerate her personality lol. But I do think Daeran and Nenio are built pretty well. The thiefling guy isn't bad either, but would have preferred him as a regular rogue, able to wear armor, no spells, etc.

My woljif is a wizard exploiter. Trickster.
With onslaught bracers he adds 1d6 on all his genie hits. Its only a few seconds but.. Genie mode x4 cast on himself with elemental barrage is basically

Sneak damage.
Weapon.damage.
Genienhits x4. 5 times. 3 main 2 off hand. +1 hasted.
Onslaught hits on all of them.
Firebrand procs.
And all the genie hits and elemental and Energy hits trigger mythic barrage.

Basically everything explodes with Woljiff for me. Its limited but its pretty much death. Found a kukuri with 3 elements.. Been fun ever since.

He gets mage armor. Shield of faith dex ac mirror image.

[zekitbot]

Originally posted by PuppYofDOOM:

Originally posted by zekitbot:

Seconded that Daeran and Nenio are both pretty good autoleveled. Daeran is a great healer after getting mythic boundless healing. There's also a headgear item that boosts positive and negative channeling and is really good for him. He's pretty much buff-only in the party; bless, prayer, protection from alignment, shield of faith etc. Not really a damage dealer.

I wouldn't know about Ember's build because I can't tolerate her personality lol. But I do think Daeran and Nenio are built pretty well. The thiefling guy isn't bad either, but would have preferred him as a regular rogue, able to wear armor, no spells, etc.

My woljif is a wizard exploiter. Trickster.
With onslaught bracers he adds 1d6 on all his genie hits. Its only a few seconds but.. Genie mode x4 cast on himself with elemental barrage is basically

Sneak damage.
Weapon.damage.
Genienhits x4. 5 times. 3 main 2 off hand. +1 hasted.
Onslaught hits on all of them.
Firebrand procs.
And all the genie hits and elemental and Energy hits trigger mythic barrage.

Basically everything explodes with Woljiff for me. Its limited but its pretty much death. Found a kukuri with 3 elements.. Been fun ever since.

He gets mage armor. Shield of faith dex ac mirror image.

Nice build.

Came back to the thread to report that you can make Daeran more useful once you get the 2nd mythic feat. As a regular Oracle, you have the option of taking a second Mystery as a mythic feat to get Daeran more spells. By choosing flame or wave, you get some nice blaster spells for him. My current preference is to give him wave, so he will get access to snowball and icy prison, and also equip him with the salamander ring. Basically changed him from pure support to healing support plus optional fire and ice mage.

Would also be good with abundant casting as one of his other mythic feats, but should probably take boundless healing since OP mentioned using him mainly for heals.