Shaman or Druid

[synnworld]

Here is a subjective question.

Shaman or druid, which is a stronger class?

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We are looking at them as a pure caster, no multiclassing

Which is stronger, domain or spirits.

Spontaneous summons vs hexes.

Druid spell book vs shaman spell book.

[Lou the Lou]

Without having played a whole lot of Shaman, I'm gong to go out on a limb and say Druid. Stormbolts. Creeping Doom. Elemental Swarm. Elder Wyrm. Sirroco.

If Shaman gets those, then nevermind. But those spells alone basically carried me through the end of Kingmaker. Creeping Doom in particular, ridiculously powerful.

[corisai]

Originally posted by synnworld:

Shaman or druid, which is a stronger class?

Shaman because of access to Hexs (and Battle Spirit is <3). Druid's wild shape is a useless meh.

[synnworld]

Originally posted by Lou the Lou:

Without having played a whole lot of Shaman, I'm gong to go out on a limb and say Druid. Stormbolts. Creeping Doom. Elemental Swarm. Elder Wyrm. Sirroco.

If Shaman gets those, then nevermind. But those spells alone basically carried me through the end of Kingmaker. Creeping Doom in particular, ridiculously powerful.

I've only played bone spirit shaman and some of fire spirit shaman and I Know fire spirit give the shaman sirroco, I can assume creeping doom comes with nature spirit, elder wyrim? I haven't made it to high levels with shaman So I haven't even seen it.

[synnworld]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by synnworld:

Shaman or druid, which is a stronger class?

Shaman because of access to Hexs (and Battle Spirit is <3). Druid's wild shape is a useless meh.

To be fair, I didn't mention wild shape because I never really use them and I couldn't think of what I'd put them against.

[corisai]

Originally posted by synnworld:

We are looking at them as a pure caster, no multiclassing

Are you trying to build casters-only party?
Because in generic melee party - Camelia (or hand-made Spirit Hunter) is no brainer because of Battle Spirit.

[synnworld]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by synnworld:

We are looking at them as a pure caster, no multiclassing

Are you trying to build casters-only party?
Because in generic melee party - Camelia (or hand-made Spirit Hunter) is no brainer because of Battle Spirit.

Who said anything about building a party? I'm just looking at people's opinion of the two classes on which they think or like better are pure casters. I don't even understand where that question comes from

[Edstyles]

Hard to say , but im going to go with druid . Shaman is strong but the later spells Are rly good on druid . Your early game is bad but maybe the pet can carry early game. Leopard is a good option for early game.
Then once you get slow mud . Youll prolly spam that for a while
Shaman is a better Frontline damage dealer tho

[corisai]

Originally posted by synnworld:

Who said anything about building a party? I'm just looking at people's opinion of the two classes on which they think or like better are pure casters. I don't even understand where that question comes from

O_O
Because Shaman buff party a lot (Hexs & battle aura) while Druid doing nothing past his spells.

[synnworld]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by synnworld:

Who said anything about building a party? I'm just looking at people's opinion of the two classes on which they think or like better are pure casters. I don't even understand where that question comes from

O_O
Because Shaman buff party a lot (Hexs & battle aura) while Druid doing nothing past his spells.

...ok stop because I'm literally lost. You asked if I was trying to build a certain type of party for some reason which I don't know why when the discussion is about comparing the two classes now how to build x party.

Now you're just shaman buff party and shaman just has spells. So, context is what we are lacking right now.

[Dalaule]

Their spellbooks are very comparable. If there's a spell you like on druid, the shaman can get it either baseline, or as part of a spirit.

So what you need to look at is what you like better between animal companion + shapeshift, vs. spirits special abilities, and hexes.

Personally, I have a hard time fitting either into my builds, particularly such a heavy combat game such as WotR, where both classes' flexibility don't get to play all that much.

[corisai]

Originally posted by synnworld:

Now you're just shaman buff party and shaman just has spells. So, context is what we are lacking right now.

Shaman not ONLY has a spells - he also have an unique party-wide buffs (if he will pick Battle Spirit). Druid is lack such ability.

[seeker1]

From my observation, since I played a druid, the shaman and druid spell lists overlap a lot, but I think also the druid does get some better spells, particularly at late spell levels. That said, shamans who can take the right spirit patrons can pick up most of those, I think.

Hard to do an exact comparison, but Fextralife now does have both spell lists to lvl9. It's not 100% overlap but very close.

The druid has wild shape and better summoning. The shaman has hexes and some abilities granted by patrons. The druid can start with an animal companion, the shaman (at best) can get one later.

The only wild shape I really thought was interesting was shambling mound. It is super slow but once it reaches its target, it's deadly. Basically starts crushing the life out of it.

Of course, as always, you get the best stuff last.

Both classes get elemental swarm, which is probably the best (non mythic) summon spell in the game.

[GunStarX]

Drovier seems pretty cool for being able to give animal aspects to your party.

[Dalaule]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

Drovier seems pretty cool for being able to give animal aspects to your party.

My "problem" with Drovier is finding a build that works until you get to the juicy aspects. Pre those, I think movementspeed is the best? A regular druid can carry early with wild shapes; particularly if you go Finesse / Mythic Finesse with leopard. What does a Drovier have early? I'm not trying to put you down, I'm genuinly interested in how to build / play it.

[GunStarX]

Originally posted by Dalaule:

Originally posted by GunStarX:

Drovier seems pretty cool for being able to give animal aspects to your party.

My "problem" with Drovier is finding a build that works until you get to the juicy aspects. Pre those, I think movementspeed is the best? A regular druid can carry early with wild shapes; particularly if you go Finesse / Mythic Finesse with leopard. What does a Drovier have early? I'm not trying to put you down, I'm genuinly interested in how to build / play it.

Yeah early it would likely be increasing speed for your slow moving melee characters when you dont have anyone who can cast haste regularly. That can be a decent boost to combat efficiency, going from 20 to 40 speed. There's also an option if you have wolf/dog/leopard or other characters using combat maneuvers to give everyone a CMB bonus