What conversation option do you wish was implemented in the game?

[Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega]

After the umptieth alt run, I myself am not really interested in the main "goal" as much as trying to keep Dyra alive even in Drezen. So I tend to pick wenduag, because honestly either as a good guy wanting the best for the mongrels or as an evil guy looking to exploit the mongrels I really don't want to leave them alone with wenduag with all she has done.

The conversation option I would have liked to be there when you didn't show light of heaven and using angel power against the mongrel corruption, so you can take wenduag without the mongrels being corrupted. As soon as you get to recruit the mongrels I can't even reply to Lann with something like "Would you really have preferred it if I left this cannibal and betrayer of mongrels, with the mongrels back then? Do you actually want to save the mongrels?"

Could have served as provocation towards wenduag so she attacks you and dies then and there.
I did see on my demon run that if you don't show the sword and let the mongrels be corrupted that you can tell lann "you did everything right" at which point wenduag betrays you and he shoots her. I kinda don't want to have to corrupt the mongrels for that option.

[jomigaru]

Interesting.
A minor conversation to add would be in Alushinyrra´s Assassin Guild. My character was a level 10 assassin and I dont remember any conversation acknowledging this.
Might be wrong since it was months ago since that playthrough.

[Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega]

Originally posted by jomigaru:

Interesting.
A minor conversation to add would be in Alushinyrra´s Assassin Guild. My character was a level 10 assassin and I dont remember any conversation acknowledging this.
Might be wrong since it was months ago since that playthrough.

Honestly across the board the class you have doesn't really impact your way of conversing. And yet some weirdly do get attention. Like being a hellknight actually influencing conversations with the hellknights some what. Yet as an assassin I can't even point out to greyboar that he is a slayer. Somehow he gets to pretend to be a completely different class. Not even sure why he isn't even build as a rogue. Maybe because of woljif already being one. And when I run a Drunken Master I find it kind of grating that noone in a drinking competition doesn't mention it is unfair that a professional drinker gets to play.

Then again that is asking way too much with the amount of classes so I just don't think about that too much. Since if I get too nitpicky I might ruin the game for myself.

[jomigaru]

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

Then again that is asking way too much with the amount of classes so I just don't think about that too much. Since if I get too nitpicky I might ruin the game for myself.

I know... but at least in the assassin´s guild you might get some lines if you are an assassin (none that I recall)
At least as a kitsune you have the option to scold a certain character when you find out that character was really a kitsune all along.

[Dre]

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

After the umptieth alt run, I myself am not really interested in the main "goal" as much as trying to keep Dyra alive even in Drezen. So I tend to pick wenduag, because honestly either as a good guy wanting the best for the mongrels or as an evil guy looking to exploit the mongrels I really don't want to leave them alone with wenduag with all she has done.

The conversation option I would have liked to be there when you didn't show light of heaven and using angel power against the mongrel corruption, so you can take wenduag without the mongrels being corrupted. As soon as you get to recruit the mongrels I can't even reply to Lann with something like "Would you really have preferred it if I left this cannibal and betrayer of mongrels, with the mongrels back then? Do you actually want to save the mongrels?"

Could have served as provocation towards wenduag so she attacks you and dies then and there.
I did see on my demon run that if you don't show the sword and let the mongrels be corrupted that you can tell lann "you did everything right" at which point wenduag betrays you and he shoots her. I kinda don't want to have to corrupt the mongrels for that option.

A real Baphomet/Deskari allied option for Demon/Swarm paths. I would have love that tbh

[Erei]

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

After the umptieth alt run, I myself am not really interested in the main "goal" as much as trying to keep Dyra alive even in Drezen. So I tend to pick wenduag, because honestly either as a good guy wanting the best for the mongrels or as an evil guy looking to exploit the mongrels I really don't want to leave them alone with wenduag with all she has done.

The conversation option I would have liked to be there when you didn't show light of heaven and using angel power against the mongrel corruption, so you can take wenduag without the mongrels being corrupted. As soon as you get to recruit the mongrels I can't even reply to Lann with something like "Would you really have preferred it if I left this cannibal and betrayer of mongrels, with the mongrels back then? Do you actually want to save the mongrels?"

Could have served as provocation towards wenduag so she attacks you and dies then and there.
I did see on my demon run that if you don't show the sword and let the mongrels be corrupted that you can tell lann "you did everything right" at which point wenduag betrays you and he shoots her. I kinda don't want to have to corrupt the mongrels for that option.

Just so you know, if you take Lann, Wenduag become an outcast. She is straight up exiled by ALL the tribes. IIRC you can even try to attack her (but she flee). Not sure of that, maybe it's only against Lann. Obviously your character won't know she'll flee (that's metagaming).
So, instead of picking the "good" guy, you pick the cannibal monster, exile Lann instead (he become the outcast because Wenduag lie to the chief), and let her become the queen of Mongrels, leading them in a campaign of self destruction (she want to conquer the world of some stuff and die young) ? And that's "the good thing" ? :D
A good guy would pick Lann, and try to stop Wenduag. As the game is set up she'll flee. Obviously you have bigger things to do.

Also Dyra dies no matter what :D


Anyway, I feel the dialogues and situation with Kyado (spelling ?), the priest in the Delamere temple is lacking. If you find the secret passage before Ivory sanctum, there is nothing you can do besides killing him for no reason. You're just like "oh ok, well, nevermind then, I'll be on my way !". Even Angel who can save him are the same, they just do a nice speech and leave him all alone.
It's beyond stupid. Why can't I try to heal him ? Bring him to Drezen to see a priest ? Set up an ambush ? Prepare for the bad guys coming ? Nope, I just leave. "Lol suck to be you bro, see you later".

[Schlumpsha]

Galfrey: "I strip you of your rank and command you to hunt down the source of our woes inside the Abyss itself!"
Me: "No." *kicks Galfrey unceremoniously into the portal herself*
Galfrey: "NOooooooo…~~~!"
screen fades to black
Narrator: "And so Queen Galfrey met her untimely demise at the hands of demon commoners in Alushinyrra, not managing to accomplish anything of note. The End"
rolls credits

Plot continuity be damned. This would have been some awesome alternate outcome right there,

[Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega]

Originally posted by Erei:

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

After the umptieth alt run, I myself am not really interested in the main "goal" as much as trying to keep Dyra alive even in Drezen. So I tend to pick wenduag, because honestly either as a good guy wanting the best for the mongrels or as an evil guy looking to exploit the mongrels I really don't want to leave them alone with wenduag with all she has done.

The conversation option I would have liked to be there when you didn't show light of heaven and using angel power against the mongrel corruption, so you can take wenduag without the mongrels being corrupted. As soon as you get to recruit the mongrels I can't even reply to Lann with something like "Would you really have preferred it if I left this cannibal and betrayer of mongrels, with the mongrels back then? Do you actually want to save the mongrels?"

Could have served as provocation towards wenduag so she attacks you and dies then and there.
I did see on my demon run that if you don't show the sword and let the mongrels be corrupted that you can tell lann "you did everything right" at which point wenduag betrays you and he shoots her. I kinda don't want to have to corrupt the mongrels for that option.

Just so you know, if you take Lann, Wenduag become an outcast. She is straight up exiled by ALL the tribes. IIRC you can even try to attack her (but she flee). Not sure of that, maybe it's only against Lann. Obviously your character won't know she'll flee (that's metagaming).
So, instead of picking the "good" guy, you pick the cannibal monster, exile Lann instead (he become the outcast because Wenduag lie to the chief), and let her become the queen of Mongrels, leading them in a campaign of self destruction (she want to conquer the world of some stuff and die young) ? And that's "the good thing" ? :D
A good guy would pick Lann, and try to stop Wenduag. As the game is set up she'll flee. Obviously you have bigger things to do.

Also Dyra dies no matter what :D


Anyway, I feel the dialogues and situation with Kyado (spelling ?), the priest in the Delamere temple is lacking. If you find the secret passage before Ivory sanctum, there is nothing you can do besides killing him for no reason. You're just like "oh ok, well, nevermind then, I'll be on my way !". Even Angel who can save him are the same, they just do a nice speech and leave him all alone.
It's beyond stupid. Why can't I try to heal him ? Bring him to Drezen to see a priest ? Set up an ambush ? Prepare for the bad guys coming ? Nope, I just leave. "Lol suck to be you bro, see you later".

If Dyra truly dies, no matter what, then that just underlines how worthless the option of character choice in this game really is. And how powerless "the commander" is when he can't even keep a single 'non essential story character' alive. But I figure you are wrong. Since you are already wrong about lann being "exiled" he isn't. If you don't corrupt the mongrels he is still just a regular part of the tribe. He even comes and challenge you when you talk to sull about the neathers joining.
If you did corrupt them he is teaching meditation to a group of corrupted mongrels. At which point on a demon playthough you can tell him he did nothing wrong. Which wenduag will see as you trying to give the tribe to lann and she attacks.

Dyra only dies when you take lann with you because you leave Wenduag behind. Besides she will still be working with cultists to get even more mongrels caught.
And Dyra dies in Drezen if Wenduag is there. So if you can make sure Wenduag dies before she gets to Dyra.

You claim there is metaknowledge but there is plenty in game at that point for characters to be completely wary of wendy. Also I would have cast suspicion or at least voiced doubt against camelia at the very start. It is as if your character has no ability to decide at all.

And yes the good guy will definitely take the bad guys along. Or at the very least keep wenduag and camellia close.
But honestly I'd love a kill on sight option for most companions. So far the only one I actually succesfully killed instead of recruiting was ember on my demon run. Had the crusaders sacrifice her.

Also what is up with the ':D' after 'Dyra always dies' what are you trying to convey or do? Implicating you like it that she suffers/dies? You some sort of anti social sadist? You laughing because you think I am distressed that she dies?
Honestly not sure what you were trying to do with them at the points where you used them.

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

No one says: "I'll be back" or "I'm too old for this sh*t!" while there's room for that kind of nonsense.

[Erei]

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

If Dyra truly dies, no matter what, then that just underlines how worthless the option of character choice in this game really is. And how powerless "the commander" is when he can't even keep a single 'non essential story character' alive. But I figure you are wrong. Since you are already wrong about lann being "exiled" he isn't. If you don't corrupt the mongrels he is still just a regular part of the tribe. He even comes and challenge you when you talk to sull about the neathers joining.
If you did corrupt them he is teaching meditation to a group of corrupted mongrels. At which point on a demon playthough you can tell him he did nothing wrong. Which wenduag will see as you trying to give the tribe to lann and she attacks.

True for the non corrupt, I did it only once, so there is that. But for the corrupt path IIRC he is exiled. Mostly self imposed exile because depressive Lann.

Dyra only dies when you take lann with you because you leave Wenduag behind. Besides she will still be working with cultists to get even more mongrels caught.
And Dyra dies in Drezen if Wenduag is there. So if you can make sure Wenduag dies before she gets to Dyra.

That's 100% meta. Your character don't know Dyra will die. It makes sense your character will try to stop Wenduag right there right now, which you try. Obviously the game make it so you can't stop her and she flee with her life. And you're too busy to hunt her (Kenabres is in flame and all that).

If you take Wenduag and kill her, somehow before Dyra die that's quite the metagaming thing to do.

Ironically, if you go meta knowledge, you ruin Lann's life by not taking him. He never get to meet his mom. To learn to lead his tribe. He stay depressive little mongrel with nothing in life that matters.

You claim there is metaknowledge but there is plenty in game at that point for characters to be completely wary of wendy.

Sure is. Wendu is evil, there is nothing else to say. It's obvious, she aknowedlge it even. Which is why my good people try to stop her. And fail as the game is set up so she flees.
I don't pick her as my minion and make Lann the bad guy of the strory.

Also I would have cast suspicion or at least voiced doubt against camelia at the very start. It is as if your character has no ability to decide at all.

Yeah, I know. But in the prologue you need her mechanically. I think it was a mistake to have her in the tunnel. She don't do damage until she get fencing grace (which for new player is relatively advanced knowledge) and you can't refuse for her to join because mechanically she is needed.
There is big suspension of disbelief from Owlcat. Even from the companion, who either know or are fully aware something's wrong.

Also what is up with the ':D' after 'Dyra always dies' what are you trying to convey or do? Implicating you like it that she suffers/dies? You some sort of anti social sadist? You laughing because you think I am distressed that she dies?
Honestly not sure what you were trying to do with them at the points where you used them

I was laughing because all your plan are pointless unless you go a very meta way to remove wenduag before the dyra event start. Otherwise, she dies both way.
Also laughing because of all the mental gymnastic people are doing to justify Wenduag or Camelia in their party as "good" guys.

Also, out of curioisity, if you break both quest what happen ? You don't have savadude in act 4 (neither Lann nor Wendu to find him). So they disappear in act 5 and you never get the mongrel back ? Or does it stay in limbo and the mongrel stay at Drezen and the whole story stop right there right now.
In either case that's not a good fate for them. If Savadude get their hand on them, well, it's bad. If the story stop right there, then they stay cursed forever and leaderless.

[Razer]

I wish conversation was linked to your stats and skills and not to your companions. That makes the whole thing meh and encourages min maxing. Wich is stupid from an RP perspective. I genuinly hate that the game does this.

[jomigaru]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Galfrey: "I strip you of your rank and command you to hunt down the source of our woes inside the Abyss itself!"
Me: "No." *kicks Galfrey unceremoniously into the portal herself*
Galfrey: "NOooooooo…~~~!"
screen fades to black
Narrator: "And so Queen Galfrey met her untimely demise at the hands of demon commoners in Alushinyrra, not managing to accomplish anything of note. The End"
rolls credits

Plot continuity be damned. This would have been some awesome alternate outcome right there,

Ok, I am usually more on the Queen side than against her BUT if we are going this road, Lady Konomi needs to be kicked down the rabbit hole as well.

[Razer]

Originally posted by jomigaru:

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Galfrey: "I strip you of your rank and command you to hunt down the source of our woes inside the Abyss itself!"
Me: "No." *kicks Galfrey unceremoniously into the portal herself*
Galfrey: "NOooooooo…~~~!"
screen fades to black
Narrator: "And so Queen Galfrey met her untimely demise at the hands of demon commoners in Alushinyrra, not managing to accomplish anything of note. The End"
rolls credits

Plot continuity be damned. This would have been some awesome alternate outcome right there,

Ok, I am usually more on the Queen side than against her BUT if we are going this road, Lady Konomi needs to be kicked down the rabbit hole as well.

Oof. I always want to just let the Queen die. The whole downside to this is, if you didn't keep your title then Irabeth also dies. I mean the whole crusade is full of losers that aren't fit for their duties, but in the end this is all the Queens fault. So we got to make sure she dies before the end.

[reidj062]

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

After the umptieth alt run, I myself am not really interested in the main "goal" as much as trying to keep Dyra alive even in Drezen. So I tend to pick wenduag, because honestly either as a good guy wanting the best for the mongrels or as an evil guy looking to exploit the mongrels I really don't want to leave them alone with wenduag with all she has done.

The conversation option I would have liked to be there when you didn't show light of heaven and using angel power against the mongrel corruption, so you can take wenduag without the mongrels being corrupted. As soon as you get to recruit the mongrels I can't even reply to Lann with something like "Would you really have preferred it if I left this cannibal and betrayer of mongrels, with the mongrels back then? Do you actually want to save the mongrels?"

Could have served as provocation towards wenduag so she attacks you and dies then and there.
I did see on my demon run that if you don't show the sword and let the mongrels be corrupted that you can tell lann "you did everything right" at which point wenduag betrays you and he shoots her. I kinda don't want to have to corrupt the mongrels for that option.

Why do you care about Drya? There's zero development given to her character. She has as much going on for her as the NPCs in town in Diablo.

[Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega]

Originally posted by reidj062:

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

After the umptieth alt run, I myself am not really interested in the main "goal" as much as trying to keep Dyra alive even in Drezen. So I tend to pick wenduag, because honestly either as a good guy wanting the best for the mongrels or as an evil guy looking to exploit the mongrels I really don't want to leave them alone with wenduag with all she has done.

The conversation option I would have liked to be there when you didn't show light of heaven and using angel power against the mongrel corruption, so you can take wenduag without the mongrels being corrupted. As soon as you get to recruit the mongrels I can't even reply to Lann with something like "Would you really have preferred it if I left this cannibal and betrayer of mongrels, with the mongrels back then? Do you actually want to save the mongrels?"

Could have served as provocation towards wenduag so she attacks you and dies then and there.
I did see on my demon run that if you don't show the sword and let the mongrels be corrupted that you can tell lann "you did everything right" at which point wenduag betrays you and he shoots her. I kinda don't want to have to corrupt the mongrels for that option.

Why do you care about Drya? There's zero development given to her character. She has as much going on for her as the NPCs in town in Diablo.

Because her example as a trader, socially minded mongrel she will be an example to all the mongrels too afraid of the outside and non tribe members.
I honestly don't care about lann and wenduag too much and I hate that lann kind of forces his companionship on you if you refuse both of them.
But yeah I like imagining the world as being alive outside of us. Sure the programmers limited interactions. But if you are going to compare that to npcs in older games WOTR will be losing most comparisons.
Lann and Wenduag are sold as "the best mongrel around, will fix whole tribe if given preferential treatment over other mongrels". And both of them are plenty annoying. But then again honestly none of the companions feel like they belong in the party.

To see if I can with what is made available. My imagination and visualizing skills love to be tickled by setting up what if scenarios like that. I find it fun. If owlcat didn't make her "important" I still can.

Gues summarized it would be curiousity.