Mechanical Qeustions Demon Path

[Dinonoms]

Heya everyone,

so I finally gonna try to finish my demon playthrought and I was wondering about a few things.

So Ultimatly I want go for the Valvakia which means I probably should focus on "Weapon Focus - Trident"

What I don't understand so far is which class I should take my first idea was to go for fighter due to the specific fighter feats like "Penetrating Strike"

Then I wondered if I should take any of the other classes that have an inherent "Rage" feature asked myself if any of the rage powers work with the "Demonic Rage"

While I doubt I have space for it should I take some of the Spell related feats like "Spell Penetration"... Also the "Sklad - Demon Dancer" sounds edgy...

I currently play on a custom difficult What I call Dearing+

Also How does equipment work with the Demonic Forms?

[Schlumpsha]

Disciple of the Pike is excellent for tridents and similar spear-like weapons. I'd choose that one over Fighter personally. Bonus points if Order of the Cockatrice is selected.

Demonic Forms cannot equip weapons outside their standard ones. Say, a babau will always come with a longspear, schir polymorphs with a bardiche or glaive, a gallu with a falchion, a marilith with six longswords, and both the balor and brimorak wielding a longsword. Other forms such as derakni, glabrezu, vrock and nalfeshnee don't come with any weapons besides natural ones. Valvakia is the only one using a trident here. And the third demonic form using any kind of polearm for that matter.

You can use rage from classes in tandem with demonic rage. Bloodrager is a player favourite. But so is the Rageshifter. Demon Dancer is useful to have on a merch. Still a fun archetype for a MC tho, depending on your party.

[Razer]

Not sure if they fixed it yet, but the previous update Vavakia was missing the trident in the shapechange. So the demon is standing empty handed.

Rage works with Demonic Rage yes. However Demonic rage has incredibly limited uses per rest. I found myself hardly ever using it. Which is a shame since most of the Demon path powers come from demonic rage. I kind of felt the whole path was a let down. Both in story and in mechanics.

Demon during rage can have crazy strong spellcasting or melee. Note that there is no CHA boost for any of the demon stats. So if you're going spellcaster, best pick an INT caster or a WIS caster (which is what I ended up doing).

Demon is also good with natural attacks, so you can go any type of shapeshifter class or a class/archetype that focusses on natural attacks and make it work.

Equipment is replaced if the demon has its own equipment. Generally armor and weapon are replaced iirc.

[Dinonoms]

Thanks you two after good night of sleep I think I go with the "Sklad - Demon Dancer" thing. In my headcanon it sounds like fun "corrupting" Seelah, Regill and Sosiel by having them fall into mindless rage.

[Dinonoms]

So I finally did get the Spell "Demon Form IV" and can transform into a Vavakia. As someone already mentioned, the form is currently bugged because the model is missing it's Trident which causes the attack animation to glitch.

So I was wondering if there is a mod or something I can do via Toybox to fix the issue.

[Schlumpsha]

Not that I am aware of. Chances are that any manual edits, such as modifying a save file of a polymorphed character, will revert back to the bugged behavior upon recasting the spell anew.

The only surefire way would be to edit the spell and its polymorph form(s) directly in the code. You could probably get help to do so via owlcat's discord server. There you will find a lively modding section and tips how to create such mods.

[Dinonoms]

Thanks I will try my luck there.

[Dinonoms]

So I made some progress with the bug...

I managed to use ToyBox's PatchTool to point the spell in the right direction and it now uses the correct model (I think). At least it now holding the spear and wearing that armour. But it seems that the problem runs a little deeper.

Now, when I attack something it still doesn't play the attack animation and you still get a model that is frozen in place.

[TamTroll]

still going through my Demon path myself so trying to avoid spoilers.

Will say, at some point you might encounter a scroll of "Resourceful Rage", which gives characters with the "Rage" class feature one extra use of Rage per day. I just want to inform you that this DOES work with Demonic Rage. i went from 3 uses per day to 4 with it.

Also The Teleportation ability is a great damage dealer for those hard-to-hit enemies.