High AC enemies near the end of the game seem to really highlight class differences *mild spoilers*

[amills1]

I'm currently making my way through Threshold and I'm really starting to see the difference between having full BAB characters, 3/4 BAB characters and spellcasters on even fairly ordinary fights.

I have Lann as a level 3 monk, level 17 druid and he just seems to miss all too often. Sosiel has a similar problem if I use him in melee. The animal companions in the group seem to have the same issue for the most part except for Aivu. Only my ranger, Seeliah and Aru hit with weapons consistently while Nenio just about never missed with her spells.

Short of having Nenio crank out some Transformation scrolls, and hoping my allies pass their use magic device check, I don't see how to get around this problem. There were previous enemies with high AC but those were usually boss fights.

[Selvokaz]

have you tried giving those 3/4 bab characters outflank? are any of them bards? are you using att buff spells? You said you made lann into a druid 17, i assume he's just spellcasting all day then?

[amills1]

I think they all have outflank thanks to one of my Azata picks. I have Lann mostly as an archer still. No bards.

[Choco]

Most of late game enemies' AC and immunities comes from buffs. Dispell those and stack your own debuffs and status effects on them.

[Selvokaz]

Originally posted by Shuranosuke:

Most of late game enemies' AC and immunities comes from buffs. Dispell those and stack your own debuffs and status effects on them.

Agreed. It's just that dispelling enemies in this game is such a huge risky undertaking.

[bitb0602]

If you try hard difficulty, you could taste this situation much earlier.

[Conquista]

lann as a zen archer 3/druid 17 has a really bad hitchance, worse than going 17 into crusader

so if you went druid route focus on abjuration magic to summon additional allies and pits on the field

[dwarner]

Originally posted by amills1:

I'm currently making my way through Threshold and I'm really starting to see the difference between having full BAB characters, 3/4 BAB characters and spellcasters on even fairly ordinary fights.

I have Lann as a level 3 monk, level 17 druid and he just seems to miss all too often. Sosiel has a similar problem if I use him in melee. The animal companions in the group seem to have the same issue for the most part except for Aivu. Only my ranger, Seeliah and Aru hit with weapons consistently while Nenio just about never missed with her spells.

Short of having Nenio crank out some Transformation scrolls, and hoping my allies pass their use magic device check, I don't see how to get around this problem. There were previous enemies with high AC but those were usually boss fights.

Full vs 3/4 isn't really going to solve that. You need to make full use of the spells and abilities you have access to. There are more than enough.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Conquista:

lann as a zen archer 3/druid 17 has a really bad hitchance, worse than going 17 into crusader

so if you went druid route focus on abjuration magic to summon additional allies and pits on the field

No, the base BAB is the same. Crusader has the good Cleric self buffs but there are plenty of ways to still get there on his Bow as a Druid. You don't want to give up the extra attack and Perfect Strike that other Druids don't have. Trying to beat saves with Lann wastes his starting class.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Selvokaz:

Originally posted by Shuranosuke:

Most of late game enemies' AC and immunities comes from buffs. Dispell those and stack your own debuffs and status effects on them.

Agreed. It's just that dispelling enemies in this game is such a huge risky undertaking.

Each Mythic path (other than Angel which may not need it) has a reliable way to Dispel buffs. Dispelling is a job for your MC.

[Conquista]

Originally posted by dwarner:

Originally posted by Conquista:

lann as a zen archer 3/druid 17 has a really bad hitchance, worse than going 17 into crusader

so if you went druid route focus on abjuration magic to summon additional allies and pits on the field

No, the base BAB is the same. Crusader has the good Cleric self buffs but there are plenty of ways to still get there on his Bow as a Druid. You don't want to give up the extra attack and Perfect Strike that other Druids don't have. Trying to beat saves with Lann wastes his starting class.

i'm not talking about bab progression, i'm talking about greater weapon focus and divine power spell, things that lann as a zen archer 3/druid 17 has no access to

[Edstyles]

You are not suposed to use Archer classes without full bab unless its a crossbow user.
Also there is s mythic ability that increases your hit rating the more U miss.
U can make it work without full bab. But as rule just make sure to get full bab to keep it easy for yourself .

If you dont want to go full bab . You could go inquisitor . It has better ways to get through enemy armor.

As a druid you want to rely more on spell casts

[Choco]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

You are not suposed to use Archer classes without full bab unless its a crossbow user.

Hunter works just fine with a bow.

[Edstyles]

Originally posted by Shuranosuke:

Originally posted by Edstyles:

You are not suposed to use Archer classes without full bab unless its a crossbow user.

Hunter works just fine with a bow.

Depends on the archtype , but most hunters are ment for meele. You Are safer picking inquisitor

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Conquista:

Originally posted by dwarner:

No, the base BAB is the same. Crusader has the good Cleric self buffs but there are plenty of ways to still get there on his Bow as a Druid. You don't want to give up the extra attack and Perfect Strike that other Druids don't have. Trying to beat saves with Lann wastes his starting class.

i'm not talking about bab progression, i'm talking about greater weapon focus and divine power spell, things that lann as a zen archer 3/druid 17 has no access to

Greater Weapon Focus isn't really doing it when you're talking about hitting 60AC. Divine Power yeah that's a big one. One reason he makes a better Inquisitor than Druid. But you still can in fact get there, it's just more work. Don't sleep on debuffs.

[dwarner]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Originally posted by Shuranosuke:

Hunter works just fine with a bow.

Depends on the archtype , but most hunters are ment for meele. You Are safer picking inquisitor

lol no.

They get Aspect of Falcon and Hurricane Bow for a reason. Even Urban Hunter Lann can still use his Bow effectively.