Advice on most/least important dump stats?

[Laluzi]

I had an idea of how to distribute stats walking into WOTR, and I don't know if it's working well for me here.

Previously I was very content to dump strength on dex-focused characters. The consequences here were immediate – low enough strength and your character can't carry their own gear. But also, because weapon speed doesn't exist but weapon range does, composite longbows are by far the best ranged weapon available and they add strength modifiers to damage, so archers can't skip arm day.

So next time I tried to build an archer, I dumped con. Figured I could either go full Matrix-style dodge or just put them on a mount and it wouldn't matter anyway... but as soon as I hit act 2, I found that I was getting fatigued stupidly quickly traveling the map.

Can't dump intelligence or you get no skill points. Would dump wisdom, but this character is a hunter so it's one of their foci - and I've seen a lot of plot-relevant Will saves, so I don't know if that's a good idea anyway. And I normally like to put leftover points in charisma because persuasion is always so important, but between most checks being able to be handled by your party and the abundance of persuasion gear, I'm wondering if the strat is just to make your KC rizzless.

I know your primary stats are always going to change depending on class, but how do you guys distribute stats that your build doesn't focus on? On a general, classless character, which stats are most and least important?

[Laluzi]

Oprindeligt skrevet af GunStarX:

Oprindeligt skrevet af RandomDude2018:

For melee you dump INT and WIS. Not CHA. Stack STR and start with 18 CHA.

2 points of WIS equal +1 will save. LOL.

2 points of CHA can equal +2 (yes +2, not a typo) to all saves, +2 to hit against Chatoic Evil characters or +1 to hit against Evil ones.

If you dump CHA you are GIMPING youself.

You're also gimping yourself by playing ranged characters. Melee is king in this game.

I can understand people like to play on CORE or lower and like to RP but if you want to stomp unfair you go CHA.

Unfair is not the standard, the vast majority of people don't play unfair. Unfair has a 0.7% completion rate. Your class selections and party composition are highly specialized. Try listing all of the classes and mythic paths you can't play as using your advice, vs advice given that works with all classes and all mythic paths.

Pretty much this. I'm new to WOTR and I still haven't finished the game yet. I'm here for the story and to explore what options I have. I want to check out a few different mythic paths and classes, because I'm not that familiar with the extended selection that Pathfinder offers and there's some neat looking stuff I'd like to try.

My first game was on Casual because that's what a friend recommended, and I got to act 5, but it was way too easy so I started another run on Core, which feels a much better level of challenge.

I haven't reached the level of mastery over this system that funnels me towards challenge runs, and besides - I'm a very character-driven gamer who hates using mercenaries and none of my favorite characters are Unfair viable. I don't think I'll be doing Unfair any time soon. Minmaxing is nice, but I don't like being forced to minmax at gunpoint.

All that said, I appreciate all the build advice in here! My stat distribution framework has been shaped by other games where the MC was the one making skill checks, which pushed me towards CHA and INT more than I need to be here.

[SotiCoto]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Laluzi:

I haven't reached the level of mastery over this system that funnels me towards challenge runs, and besides - I'm a very character-driven gamer who hates using mercenaries and none of my favorite characters are Unfair viable. I don't think I'll be doing Unfair any time soon. Minmaxing is nice, but I don't like being forced to minmax at gunpoint.

I'm just going to play the role of the metaphorical serpent here and remark that any class or character can be "tweaked" to be Unfair-viable through the use of Toybox.

And if you need to test character builds for combat viability, The Treasure of the Midnight Isles is a perfect sandbox for it. I've been using it to test different Mythic paths without having to commit to them in the main campaign. And I discovered that Azata get ugly bug wings at Mythic Rank 9, and haven't found any way to make them go away even with Toybox yet. I deleted the dragon though. Silly little Aivu got baleeted. I think that would have horrifying consequences if I did it in the main campaign, but at least where I am now, there is no consequence to being an Azata without a dragon (nor any other allies, for that matter).

Funny thing about Azata... if they're supposed to be about "freedom" then why are they bogged down with all sorts of hangers on? Why is the Azata path basically a "power of friendship" path? Freedom to me means doing things alone. Solo run. Wonder if I could do that.... Solo Azata...

Incidentally... in-keeping with the actual topic of the thread.... I don't have dump-stats. I just have stats I don't boost as much as others. Usually strength, since I'm pretty much always a primary spellcaster.