Possibly Stuck At Act 4 (Bug?)

[Ellixer]

So I'm stuck at the start of act 4. A guide says I should have found two keys (done) talked to a succubus (done) and talked to Suture (I think I killed him in the last chapter, assuming he was the one in the lab). After that, I would talk to the angel guy and presumably he's supposed to open a portal for me but he's not.

Is my game bugged because I killed Suture? Or am I missing something? I can interact with the portal but it seems to just be a map and says I can't use the network without some talisman.

[forkofspite]

You need the Gold Coin with Baphomet's Mark. Darrazand has it, and you might be able to go back through the portal in the cave to take it off his corpse. If not, though, you might need to redo that fight.

[Vox]

You killed Suture? Huh. I've never even tried. You need him alive for the secret ending, so I always make sure he lives.

[Ellixer]

Originally posted by Vox:

You killed Suture? Huh. I've never even tried. You need him alive for the secret ending, so I always make sure he lives.

lmao I asked several friends and that was the response I got. I'm not going for the secret ending at all so I didn't think too much about killing him since it was in-character anyway (doing true aeon). Didn't expect this to freeze my game.

Originally posted by forkofspite:

You need the Gold Coin with Baphomet's Mark. Darrazand has it, and you might be able to go back through the portal in the cave to take it off his corpse. If not, though, you might need to redo that fight.

I just loaded my save and looks like I do have it in my inventory.

[forkofspite]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

I just loaded my save and looks like I do have it in my inventory.

In that case, there are two portals that might work. One is near the cave on the other side of Skull Rock - might require some skill checks initially. The other one is by the Hand of the Inheritor which required the keys your previously mentioned. Using that portal might not be available right way though - try resting. The camp is in the cave.

[Ellixer]

Originally posted by forkofspite:

Originally posted by Ellixer:

I just loaded my save and looks like I do have it in my inventory.

In that case, there are two portals that might work. One is near the cave on the other side of Skull Rock - might require some skill checks initially. The other one is by the Hand of the Inheritor which required the keys your previously mentioned. Using that portal might not be available right way though - try resting. The camp is in the cave.

The one right outside the gate gives me nothing but a map I cannot otherwise interact with. It says I cannot use the network without some talisman.

I read a guide that says the Hand of the Inheritor is supposed to open some kind of portal for me after I accomplish the aforementioned task, but he is not doing so, probably because I killed Suture earlier.

Resting does nothing to change this.

Suppose I should submit a bug report then.

[noobie123]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

Originally posted by forkofspite:

In that case, there are two portals that might work. One is near the cave on the other side of Skull Rock - might require some skill checks initially. The other one is by the Hand of the Inheritor which required the keys your previously mentioned. Using that portal might not be available right way though - try resting. The camp is in the cave.

The one right outside the gate gives me nothing but a map I cannot otherwise interact with. It says I cannot use the network without some talisman.

I read a guide that says the Hand of the Inheritor is supposed to open some kind of portal for me after I accomplish the aforementioned task, but he is not doing so, probably because I killed Suture earlier.

Resting does nothing to change this.

Suppose I should submit a bug report then.

interesting, never killed suture before in all my playthroughs.....you need to find the 2 keys, then hand guy opens the portal --> suture steals the first key --> hand guy opens portal again with 2nd key. so if no suture, game broke at that point? yea, submit bug report and see what they say.

i take it you have a save game prior to the suture killing?

edit:
check this post out:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1184370/discussions/0/3092275748076905300/#c3458220484826085469

- if Suture is dead you need to click a magnifying glass on one of the rocks where Suture usually stands - this will make you notice the mining operation yourself
The Hand does not open the portal for you until you find out about the crystals mining.

[Ellixer]

Well I'm *pretty* certain I ran back and forth twice through every corridor clicking on magnifying glass, but it's worth doing another sweep I suppose. I thought I found out about the mining operation through the succubus already actually.

edit: Yup, nothing. Interacted with the five magnifying glasses I could find down the ladder, then talked to the hand, and mentioned both the keys and the mining operation (it even shows up in my journal), and still no progress.

[forkofspite]

Have you talked to the Hand of the Inheritor after giving him the key? I found my first run through this place. Pretty old (was still Version 1.1), but this is how it's supposed to go if you've killed The Suture (conversation with the Hand starts at time 32:35 and enter the portal at 36:50):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9j38F8wxg4&list=PLRgit1BuilmuWNW5i1AZ427-WH2ca3AGm&index=139

[Ellixer]

Okay thanks I sorted it out.

It's another bug entirely. For some reason, the first time I talked to the succubus, exhausted the dialogue, and left her (rather than killed or healed her), she didn't die, and all the information she told me did not register.

However I came back a second time, interacted with her, and left her again (same as I did last time), and this time she immediately dies, and all the information she told me about entered my journal. THEN I can talk to the Hand and complete the exploration.

[aPigeonHorse]

I'm in what sounds like almost an identical situation, with the exception of having spared Suture at Areelu's Lab. This is my second time playing through this area and I remember Suture having been here the previous time -- he however is not...

I've sweeped the place clean; I'm certain I've missed nothing. I found some etudes to fiddle with in the ToyBox, but Suture isn't appearing.

The succubus is alive in my case as well, even though having exhausted her dialogues. I'll try triggering that differently...

Edit:
I found the Nexus01Intro etude in ToyBox which hadn't started; I started it: it processed it for a moment than teleported me to the Hand, dashed through some dialogue, triggered another dialogue with him immediately after. This granted me my next mythic rank. No portal though. I went to the mines and found Suture! With dialogue and everything! I informed the Hand about this new found information, yet to no avail, still. I killed off the succubus, through dialogue -- which was still available since she hadn't died the first time --, though no change.

I'll try fiddling with the etudes some more, I guess...

[forkofspite]

I guess for completeness, I'll link the video for how this scene should play out when The Suture is alive. This one has timestamps in the description ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1BccBc2VWk&list=PLRgit1BuilmvbfQpeIL4DBsZYPoeSdOox&index=177

... but I guess I didn't actually go through the portal in this video. That happens in the next video (Prospero playlist, #177).

[aPigeonHorse]

Originally posted by forkofspite:

I guess for completeness, I'll link the video for how this scene should play out...

Very helpful thank you! Didn't think to search for one.

Ye, right off the bat, I didn't even get the Areelu narration when entering from Midnight Fane to the Nexus. And it ported me just passively inside the mines without cruising me outside to the Hand...

I fortunately have a hard save just before Darazzand. I'll try and replay that pivotal part again.

Thank you.

Edit:
Replayed from Darazzand fight onwards: the nexus stuff played out more appropriately, though with two differences -- at least compared to the video's playthrough:
1. The succubus still doesn't die by default. Not sure she no longer is supposed to or if it's a bug; on the surface it doesn't seem like a bug.
2. The Hand opening the portal -scene bugged out, though went through; Suture appeared, though the Hand straight up ignored him, lol. The animation was way less intricate, where instead of grabbing the key from the Hand, he just calmly walk to the portal and left. Still no reaction from the Hand -- didn't even reopen the portal or anything.

But I got through -- at least for now.
Maybe my game is unsure of Suture's state. This issue might re-emerge later...

[reidj062]

Originally posted by Ellixer:

So I'm stuck at the start of act 4. A guide says I should have found two keys (done) talked to a succubus (done) and talked to Suture (I think I killed him in the last chapter, assuming he was the one in the lab). After that, I would talk to the angel guy and presumably he's supposed to open a portal for me but he's not.

Is my game bugged because I killed Suture? Or am I missing something? I can interact with the portal but it seems to just be a map and says I can't use the network without some talisman.

No killing Suture is perfectly fine. I've done it a number of times. There are two keys. If you keep Suture around, he'll steal one from you when you try and use it. You then go find the second.

[Shahadem]

Wait what?

You are following a guide and you killed Suture?

Surely any guide worth it's salt would have told you NOT to kill Suture.

[Ellixer]

It told me not to if I wanted the secret ending, but I wasn't aiming for the secret ending, so I just did what was in-character.