Quest order

[Razer]

Is there any guide somewhere that has a suggested quest order and also explains what the main quest is that will be a final point before other timed quests start failing. It was kinda clear in Act 1, but after taking Drezen it's just super unclear on what to do next. I've played this a while back and my memory is very fuzzy, but some quests you get right after Drezen have CR25 enemies which is completely rediculous for a level 10 party. It's not that it's impossible (which is is even dumber), but the fact that you can basically just ride your party into doom just questing is getting real old. I mean I both like WotR and hate it with a vengeance for that reason alone. Every encounter is a deadly one. Hell, beyond deadly.

I managed to beat the Dragon with my level 10 party (completely stupid that this actually worked) after a few tries. There's no way a level 10 party should be able to beat a level 25 dragon, but what the F ever. (Playing on Core btw). Then I proceeded to do a quest for Ulbrig and that has CR18-25 encounters as well. So that's interesting.

So what's the path of least resistance here? Where I don't have to play like a maniac and savescum to get through it?

[Shadow]

There actually aren't many timed quests as I recall. A couple of exceptions:

You should complete the quest Attack out of Nowhere as quickly as possible.

Completing Ivory Sanctum kicks off a one month timer to Act 4.

Outside of that, I don't think it really matters all that much other than places like Blackwater are going to be a good bit harder if you do them sooner rather than later.

Oh, and of course you only have so many forts and enemy armies to keep your army moral up. So I guess that's kind of a soft timer. Can't just sit around twiddling your thumbs for months on end.

[Deo]

Originally posted by Razer:

after taking Drezen it's just super unclear on what to do next

Depends on your mythic.

Most mythics will just skip time needed to acquire their mythic quests - build Drezen and do full Crusade in everything that is open in act. Do a crusade events, make teleportation network in key outposts of the map, collect crusade items and relics, transform relics into items that suit your party build.

Then do a mythic quest until you will need to "go to the lab part". Then go to Temple of Good hunt > Ashen Grotto > Devarra and bottom of the tower > Greengates > Shrine of Sacrilege > Molten Scar > Companion quests (except Sosiel, Regil and Ulbrig) > Wintersun full > Terendelev's lair > Ravaged Longhouse.

Then you can either go to Ivory Sanctum outright and do the rest zones while you are waiting for Queen arrival - or you can do full other zones and leave Ivory Sanctum for last (which is not a bad idea on Unfair).

The rest route would be Ulbrig, Regil, Sosiel quests > Dragon Burial Grounds > Crimson Dust > Midnight Isles dlc islands > Areelu's lab > Blackwater.

Kinda like that, think I did not forget anything. Some mythics will want to go to lab earlier, like Trickster at 12, to get trickster feats on 13. That's more advanced planning.

[mk11]

Originally posted by Shadow:

There actually aren't many timed quests as I recall. A couple of exceptions:

You should complete the quest Attack out of Nowhere as quickly as possible.

Completing Ivory Sanctum kicks off a one month timer to Act 4.

Sure? I thought it was asking the Hand of the Covenant that triggered this and that was after Areelu's lab.

Outside of that, I don't think it really matters all that much other than places like Blackwater are going to be a good bit harder if you do them sooner rather than later.

Oh, and of course you only have so many forts and enemy armies to keep your army moral up. So I guess that's kind of a soft timer. Can't just sit around twiddling your thumbs for months on end.

AFAIK, you want to do Dragon Hunt before Ivory Sanctum.

[Razer]

Play Aeon at the moment so there's really not much going on in terms of Mythic quest. I never did Aeon, but I got a mirror. Oh and I do not worry about the crusade. I played that enough so now I just add a bazzilion units in toybox and brute force myself through that and add morale there as needed (it's not needeed). I'm really not interested in the crusade at all. It's super boring. Just want to role play with the party.

I will check that quest order you posted Deo. And thanks Shadow. I will check that quest you mentioned now.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by mk11:

Sure? I thought it was asking the Hand of the Covenant that triggered this and that was after Areelu's lab.

Pretty sure. I think he shows up after Ivory Sanctum and tips you off that there's a portal under Drezen with a seal on it. He points you at the lab for finding a way to break it. I vaguely recall something about breaking it anyway if you take too long, but it's been some time since I really looked into it and I never tested it for myself.

In any case, it's probably best to do most of your quests before doing Ivory Sanctum.

[Razer]

Just checking @Deo, you're suggesting to do the Dragon Hunt quest very early. You do know she's level 25 with a breath attack that deals 150 damage in an AoE? I mean I already killed her, but only possible with every buff imaginable and save scumming and cheesing her.

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by Razer:

So what's the path of least resistance here? Where I don't have to play like a maniac and savescum to get through it?

The path of least resistance is called "story mode" and it's quite fun and good practice for when you decide to play the game with difficulty.

And you can still lose/fail on story mode. Especially ironman (called "last azlanti") story mode.

But yeah, story mode and just muddle your way though things. It's really easy and it gives great incite on what to do next time, when you really give it a serious, path of most resistance, maniac savescuming, try.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Chronocide:

Originally posted by Razer:

So what's the path of least resistance here? Where I don't have to play like a maniac and savescum to get through it?

The path of least resistance is called "story mode" and it's quite fun and good practice for when you decide to play the game with difficulty.

And you can still lose/fail on story mode. Especially ironman (called "last azlanti") story mode.

But yeah, story mode and just muddle your way though things. It's really easy and it gives great incite on what to do next time, when you really give it a serious, path of most resistance, maniac savescuming, try.

You misunderstood my question. My question was which quest order is fit for the level of my party and is the actual path I should take hence path of least resistance. Sure I can go up against level 25s with my level 10 party and be annoyed the whole time and then later on beat up level 11s as part of other quests. But I rather beat those up now rather than later. So fit for my level is the question.

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by Chronocide:

The path of least resistance is called "story mode" and it's quite fun and good practice for when you decide to play the game with difficulty.

And you can still lose/fail on story mode. Especially ironman (called "last azlanti") story mode.

But yeah, story mode and just muddle your way though things. It's really easy and it gives great incite on what to do next time, when you really give it a serious, path of most resistance, maniac savescuming, try.

You misunderstood my question. My question was which quest order is fit for the level of my party and is the actual path I should take hence path of least resistance. Sure I can go up against level 25s with my level 10 party and be annoyed the whole time and then later on beat up level 11s as part of other quests. But I rather beat those up now rather than later. So fit for my level is the question.

I got it, but I think you misunderstand the game. The path of least resistance is found in the difficulty setting.

Besides, each party will be strong against certain types of enemies, and weaker against others. There's not an absolute best path.

[Chronocide]

Anyway, in a general sense, the further away from the camp you have to travel to find combat/quests, the higher level those creatures will be. Avoid quests that require a lot of traveling if the game doesn't make it clear that you need to do those quests ASAP.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Chronocide:

Originally posted by Razer:

You misunderstood my question. My question was which quest order is fit for the level of my party and is the actual path I should take hence path of least resistance. Sure I can go up against level 25s with my level 10 party and be annoyed the whole time and then later on beat up level 11s as part of other quests. But I rather beat those up now rather than later. So fit for my level is the question.

I got it, but I think you misunderstand the game. The path of least resistance is found in the difficulty setting.

Besides, each party will be strong against certain types of enemies, and weaker against others. There's not an absolute best path.

No you seriously misunderstand the question and I do not misunderstand the game. If you can't answer the actual question don't come into a topic with nonsense.

[Deo]

Originally posted by Razer:

Just checking @Deo, you're suggesting to do the Dragon Hunt quest very early. You do know she's level 25 with a breath attack that deals 150 damage in an AoE?

She does 256 on Unfair. Lithany of Eloquence counters her hard.

Level is nothing in this game - Hit Dice in Wotr is so inflated, that you only need to look at AC and saves of enemies. You fight level 20 and level 27 in Wintersun, which is 11 lvl zone.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Deo:

Originally posted by Razer:

Just checking @Deo, you're suggesting to do the Dragon Hunt quest very early. You do know she's level 25 with a breath attack that deals 150 damage in an AoE?

She does 256 on Unfair. Lithany of Eloquence counters her hard.

Level is nothing in this game - Hit Dice in Wotr is so inflated, that you only need to look at AC and saves of enemies. You fight level 20 and level 27 in Wintersun, which is 11 lvl zone.

Yea it is important to counter certain things. I did have a lot of trouble killing some giant bloodrager though, but managed to pull that off as well after a few tries. There was also 2 undead in a cave somewhere that kept respawning. It's from a DLC. Maybe I'm not killing them fast enough or I'm missing some other trick. Just left em alone for now.

I just did Molten Scar, but there's only a handful of low level Vrock there. So I'm still not following why you posted that particular quest order. Maybe that's how you play and you know how to individually counter and prep for these things. You have to understand, even though I'm well versed in the games mechanics, I have little memory of what encounter is what. So I did not prepare Lithany of Eloquence for the Dragon encounter.

[Deo]

Originally posted by Razer:

There was also 2 undead in a cave somewhere that kept respawning. It's from a DLC.

Their description states the reason why they are respawning. Inspecting enemies is useful (most of the times).

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Razer:

I just did Molten Scar, but there's only a handful of low level Vrock there. So I'm still not following why you posted that particular quest order.

Turns out different if you do it later. A certain prisoner ends up dead as I recall, which is tied into Seelah's storyline.

There's also the Vrock, which you can meet later if you let her go.