This or Neverwinter Nights?

[Alec White]

Pathfinder Warth of the righteous with all its DLCs or Neverwinter Nights complete edition?

[Razer]

Publicado originalmente por ayrtep:

Wotr is being actively developed at the moment while NWN 2 have been dead for ages. That should be enough to prefer Wotr.

This makes no sense whatsoever. You're basically saying any game that's "finished" shouldn't be played. Dude, it's not like it's an online game that requires continuous updates. Or a buggy mess with broken quests, classes and class features that still needs work.

[Shadow]

I thoroughly enjoyed both, so I'd say just get both. Just keep in mind that NWN is a much older title.

I do wish NWN2 was available on Steam as well. I think it was at one point, but was removed.

[Shahadem]

Wrath of the Righteous is MUCH better than any part of either Neverwinter Nights games EXCEPT the final expansion for Neverwinter Nights 1 called: Hordes of the Underdark.

[revan1229]

Both. Why one or the other?

[Immortal Reaver]

Both NWNs aged horribly, the UI, the movement, the graphics, looks and feels horrible.
Even OG BG1 is much better experience to play than NWN 2.

WotR wins.

[Matunus]

There are two decades between those games, so the comparison isn't entirely fair IMO. Both games are quite good at presenting their setting, so if you are a fan of either the Forgotten Realsm or Golarion, choose the world you like better.

As far as implementing the rules goes, even though NWN does a decent job, Pathfinder is far superior. You will find every class, feat and spell that ever appeared in a Pathfinder book. Pathfinder likely has the best implementation of a PnP system in a videogame so far.

However, if you are not already familiar with DnD 3.5/Pathfinder, you will be easily overwhelmed by the options you have in Pathfinder. While you can set difficulty to a low level, it's still not the most beginner friendly game.

Other things to consider: Do you like a strategy component or not? Pathfinder has one, NWN doesn't. Preferences for one or the other perspective might also be relevant, although neither game has great graphics.

[CHAO$$$]

NWN is pretty damn bad by todays standards ngl.

Its not a bg2 situation where the gameplay is still serviceable and the narrative really carrys.

[Cutlass Jack]

The main draw to the NWN games is additonal player made campaigns.
But you can also look at Solasta for a more modern take on that.

[Belegc]

NWN2 was my favorite game in the genre until WOTR came out. its a fantastic game (especially if going all the way from OC to MOTB) but very outdated by now and you will need a considerable amount of mods to make it look a bit more modern and fix bugs and so on. still, if you haven't played it and you are willing to be patient with it, I think its worth a shot. the building website for it (search in google for it, I don't know if I am allowed to post links here) is probably the best online character planner ever created.

there are some differences regarding mechanics and building (XP penalty while multiclassing, alignment restrictions and so on) but its a good entry to D&D-like systems.

[ayrtep]

Publicado originalmente por Cutlass Jack:

The main draw to the NWN games is additonal player made campaigns.
But you can also look at Solasta for a more modern take on that.

Call me odd, but I actually I prefer NWN2's graphics to Solasta's, and D&D3.5 to D&D5.

[BrUwU]

Publicado originalmente por DavetheSpaceCowboy:

3rd edition miles better than 2nd AD&D and I'll fight anyone who thinks THAC0 isn't insane. Though 3.5 was a significant improvement over it, and was apparently deemed so good as to preserve through the transition to 4th in the form of Pathfinder's 1st edition which is still fondly called 3.75. We're playing this game with those 1st edition rules based on 3.5. 3rd edition will never die.

Every time someone mentions THAC0 in this way, i always have to double check myself. Am i only one person (the answer is no) who understand it intuitively. It says it on the tin, how it works. I have no other explanation why people can't intuit the system which says how it works in its name, besides brain rot of modern gaming, constantly playing the same slope with monkey brains capable only interpreting numbers going up.

[echoes222]

NWN 2, if anything. Mask of Betrayer is on pair with best cRpgs of all time, like BG2 or Planescape: Torment. NWN1 was... boring.

[Glyph]

Publicado originalmente por BrUwU:

Every time someone mentions THAC0 in this way, i always have to double check myself. Am i only one person (the answer is no) who understand it intuitively. It says it on the tin, how it works. I have no other explanation why people can't intuit the system which says how it works in its name, besides brain rot of modern gaming, constantly playing the same slope with monkey brains capable only interpreting numbers going up.

Brother THAC0 was abandoned in 2000 because even back then it was really unintuitive for a lot of people. The current system is basically the same thing, but expressed in reverse and changing who is responsible for the number math. It's easier for almost everyone to roll and add their bonuses to compare that to a target, than it is to do (admittedly easy) math on your THAC0 and the enemy's AC to determine what you need to roll.

[Schlumpsha]

NwN 2's player created modules are a big reason to get the game. With it you can enjoy Baldur's Gate Reloaded, a fan remake using NwN2's engine in D&D 3.5. Its upcoming sequel, Baldur's Gate: Shadows of Amn Reloaded is also actively being worked on.

[BrUwU]

Publicado originalmente por Glyph:

Publicado originalmente por BrUwU:

Every time someone mentions THAC0 in this way, i always have to double check myself. Am i only one person (the answer is no) who understand it intuitively. It says it on the tin, how it works. I have no other explanation why people can't intuit the system which says how it works in its name, besides brain rot of modern gaming, constantly playing the same slope with monkey brains capable only interpreting numbers going up.

Brother THAC0 was abandoned in 2000 because even back then it was really unintuitive for a lot of people. The current system is basically the same thing, but expressed in reverse and changing who is responsible for the number math. It's easier for almost everyone to roll and add their bonuses to compare that to a target, than it is to do (admittedly easy) math on your THAC0 and the enemy's AC to determine what you need to roll.

It is pretty intuitive the second you remember to read the acronym. It was standart which stayed for a long time for a reason. It worked and it worked well in what used to be a nerd circles, who operated on logic based on real things, rather than on basic big number = better simplification.

Except it is not true what you said. Yes it is trendy and even devs jumped on the bandwagon of bashing THAC0. Real reason was pretty commonly discussed in ye old internet. It simply conflict with DnD vertical growth design. THAC0 clearly establish the baseline of what is considered "normal" in the DnD world. So when you start to get into more champion or godlike realm it actually start to get unwieldy and hard to control. Basing your game on historical wargame will do this to you when you are trying to pit godlike creatures against each other.
Can you make it work? Yes. Should you? Ehh, it depends on type of campaign you want to run. Most people rarely reach anythign beyound level 10-15 in their campaigns so THAC0 weak point wouldn't even matter to them. Yet, when it start to break, it breaks heavily.