This or Neverwinter Nights?

[Alec White]

Pathfinder Warth of the righteous with all its DLCs or Neverwinter Nights complete edition?

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by Alec White:

Pathfinder Warth of the righteous with all its DLCs or Neverwinter Nights complete edition?

I didn't like neverwinter nights.... It's based on 3rd, which was not the best edition. Baldur's gate 2 is much better if looking for D&D. Baldur's gate (1-2) is AD&D 2nd, which is a better edition than 3rd, I think. Fallout 1-2 or Arcanum, are great options too.

The controls in neverwinter I also found hard to use. It's a lot like this game, except neverwinter was doing it when the idea of a 3d world was rather new to the RPG scene. This game does it and it feels normal and simple, neverwinter does it and it's clunky.

Neverwinter does have a builder option, like you can make your own modules and such, while this game does not have anything like that.

This game is good, but only if you are into pathfinder. It's a pretty heavy learning curve for this game.

[pckirk]

2 very different games!

[Alec White]

Originally posted by pckirk:

2 very different games!

How so?

[pckirk]

already answered you in the NWN thread you started.

[Razer]

Neverwinter Nights 2 is pretty good, especially the expansion Mask of the Betrayer. I tried the first game and even though it's judged as being better than the second game it is very dated and it shows.

In terms of mechanics ultimately both are based on 3rd edition DND where pathfinder veered off in a different direction.

In terms of combat, Neverwinter Nights 2 is easier. Especially if you know what you're doing. It also doesn't require you to buff your party for an hour for a trash mob encounter like it does in this game. WotR has a lot of encounters. Many of them made more difficult due to stat bloat. Early game is very punishing for newer players. It also has a crusade mode which may or may not be to your liking although you can turn that off.

NWN2 has a kingdom building mode, which is super simple and just requires you to make a few decisions here and there. Map travel is also very easy. You click on a spot on the map and you travel there. There's no travel time or resting like in WotR. Some sections in WotR are needlessly tedious or prolonged. I think the old BG and NWN games do it better. There's more focus on exploration with your party rather than beating up monsters all the time. In that sense WotR may be more akin to Icewind Dale. Although it does have a deeper story than those games.

I think NWN2 has better party members with more interesting backgrounds. Ultimately it is more dated than WotR.

Some parts of WotR are really not fun and a slog to get through, particularly Act 4 for me. I never had that issue with NWN2. Again because of the way it's just focussed on party exploration and doing quests.

In the end both games are fine and fun to play. Very similar in construct, but Pathfinder is by far more complicated and overwhelming and by far more punishing and tedious.

[mk11]

NWN was fairly poor. NWN2 was good, I tried a few times to play through it again but it just lacks something. If the price is the same go for WOTR.

[DavetheSpaceCowboy]

3rd edition miles better than 2nd AD&D and I'll fight anyone who thinks THAC0 isn't insane. Though 3.5 was a significant improvement over it, and was apparently deemed so good as to preserve through the transition to 4th in the form of Pathfinder's 1st edition which is still fondly called 3.75. We're playing this game with those 1st edition rules based on 3.5. 3rd edition will never die.

[Cutlass Jack]

NWN is very dated. Its okay, but mostly from a nostalgia standpoint if you played it back when it originally game out. NWN2 is much better, even though I hate the camera/movement controls compared to current games.

I tried to go back to both recently and ended up replaying the Pathfinder games instead.

[Deo]

Can't compare such advanced game as Wotr with NWN.

[Schlumpsha]

NwN 1 is a toolset with some gameplay attached.

[Axetwin]

Originally posted by Chronocide:

Originally posted by Alec White:

Pathfinder Warth of the righteous with all its DLCs or Neverwinter Nights complete edition?

I didn't like neverwinter nights.... It's based on 3rd, which was not the best edition. Baldur's gate 2 is much better if looking for D&D. Baldur's gate (1-2) is AD&D 2nd, which is a better edition than 3rd, I think. Fallout 1-2 or Arcanum, are great options too.

I strongly disagree with this. Don't get me wrong, BG2 is a fine game, but 2nd Edition was AWFUL for video game purposes. 3rd Edition was much more video game friendly.

[Bystander36]

Neverwinter nights interface, especially movement is very annoying until you get used to it, and graphically is very dated. As a result, I struggle to play it.

After reading exactly what THAC0 is, that's a non issue. It's the exact same system, just calculated in reverse. The end result is the same, so I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe it would be more annoying manually, but the game does the calculations for you.

[Doombringer]

I didn't like the NWN base campaign, it felt like it was just supposed to be filler until people made content with the editor or whatever.
Also I don't like 3rd edition D&D, so that was also part of it.
(To be fair I don't like the pathfinder system either, but this game and kingmaker are good.)

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by DavetheSpaceCowboy:

3rd edition miles better than 2nd AD&D and I'll fight anyone who thinks THAC0 isn't insane. Though 3.5 was a significant improvement over it, and was apparently deemed so good as to preserve through the transition to 4th in the form of Pathfinder's 1st edition which is still fondly called 3.75. We're playing this game with those 1st edition rules based on 3.5. 3rd edition will never die.

I agree that THAC0 was insane. But for execution, I think AD&D2nd worked better in baldur's gate than 3.0 did in neverwinter nights.

Baldur's gate (1&2) are significantly better games than neverwinter nights, and much closer to this game than neverwinter nights.

[ayrtep]

Wotr is being actively developed at the moment while NWN 2 have been dead for ages. That should be enough to prefer Wotr.

However if you have payed Wotr to death and want a change, then NWN2 would be a good choice. Personally I think of Wotr as a remastered and modernised version of NWN 2.

The main advantage NWN 2 has over Wotr is fan produced modules. This gives a lot more choices when playing NWN 2.