Living Grimoire is killing machine class

[Banana]

This class is amazing, once you reached and get level 3, you are able to get 2 Swift Spells (and you can get another Swift Spell sonic buff on level 5 spell and level 6), which one of them are stunning spell with NO SAVE, and will make enemy Stun and flat-footed while you attack them.
This class is INT prepare spell class, which means you can put heighten metamagic on those swift spell with no extra casting time.
Weapon enchantment, divine power (pre-buff or swift rod), use the swift stunning spell, you can kill enemy easily, even boss.
But this class is super Squishy, better hide behind tank.

[Babbles]

Uhm - what Sonic spell is this?

Inq. get 1 level 5 spell at Class level 13 ... ?

Edit: How are you Heightening a spell above level 6 with an Inq. ?

Ahh, I see : "litany of eloquence" - which isn't sonic, it is: Charm and Mind Affecting ... so, useless, like all Mind Affecting spells, sadly ...

[Banana]

level 5 spell Resounding Blow, add sonic attack and its swift spell.
You just heighten level 3 spell litany of eloquence to level 4,,5, 6, up to you, and it still Swift spell, its mind affecting spell but no save, only spell resistance, you can land it very easily, dont forget they also get Spell caster teamwork feat, and you can lower enemy save after weapon damage.

[Babbles]

Resounding blow requires you hit the enemy with a weapon attack :) So your 'squishy' has to get all close an personal :)

You get 1 levl 6 spell slot at level 16 as an Inq.

Look, I don't mean to be a negative nancy - Sacred Huntsmaster (and Divine Hunter) are simply all sorts of better.

Just note, all those reddit forums from 2 years ago that say LoE is great - they added Mind Affecting too almost everything you don't want to resist it; also the reason the enemy is flatfooted isn't because of LoE (which expires on damage) - it is because you ambushed and the enemy hasn't acted in combat yet.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Banana:

level 5 spell Resounding Blow, add sonic attack and its swift spell.
You just heighten level 3 spell litany of eloquence to level 4,,5, 6, up to you, and it still Swift spell, its mind affecting spell but no save, only spell resistance, you can land it very easily, dont forget they also get Spell caster teamwork feat, and you can lower enemy save after weapon damage.

Could you post a screenshot with the combat log that shows the missing save?

I vividly remember reporting litany of eloquence ages ago because it does in fact not have a save in the pnp
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-eloquence/

however in the pathfinder crpg theyve always had a saving throw (despite not being listed) and since i reported it multiple times i eventually just assumed its an intended change.

Also please mention if youre using toybox or similair change heavy mods.

[Banana]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Resounding blow requires you hit the enemy with a weapon attack :) So your 'squishy' has to get all close an personal :)

You get 1 levl 6 spell slot at level 16 as an Inq.

Look, I don't mean to be a negative nancy - Sacred Huntsmaster (and Divine Hunter) are simply all sorts of better.

Just note, all those reddit forums from 2 years ago that say LoE is great - they added Mind Affecting too almost everything you don't want to resist it; also the reason the enemy is flatfooted isn't because of LoE (which expires on damage) - it is because you ambushed and the enemy hasn't acted in combat yet.

Lunge feat exist, :)
And I personally dont like animal companion, i try to make class that with no pet works.
Seriously, all people who suggesting good class always one direction, its getting bored and innovative.
I personally want to know how to make use the class to the maximum, like LG is prepare class and INT, which can use metamagic and able to boost by Court Poet.

[Banana]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Originally posted by Banana:

level 5 spell Resounding Blow, add sonic attack and its swift spell.
You just heighten level 3 spell litany of eloquence to level 4,,5, 6, up to you, and it still Swift spell, its mind affecting spell but no save, only spell resistance, you can land it very easily, dont forget they also get Spell caster teamwork feat, and you can lower enemy save after weapon damage.

Could you post a screenshot with the combat log that shows the missing save?

I vividly remember reporting litany of eloquence ages ago because it does in fact not have a save in the pnp
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-eloquence/

however in the pathfinder crpg theyve always had a saving throw (despite not being listed) and since i reported it multiple times i eventually just assumed its an intended change.

Also please mention if youre using toybox or similair change heavy mods.

Maybe you should check Pathfinder Wotr version.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Banana:

Maybe you should check Pathfinder Wotr version.

I dont have a save at level 7 atm, i turned off steam cloud sync ages ago because it made closing the game take 10 hours (probably due to file size idk) and i dont own midnight isles because its not my cup of tea.
Hence why im asking the first place.

[Banana]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Originally posted by Banana:

Maybe you should check Pathfinder Wotr version.

I dont have a save at level 7 atm, i turned off steam cloud sync ages ago because it made closing the game take 10 hours (probably due to file size idk) and i dont own midnight isles because its not my cup of tea.
Hence why im asking the first place.

Google exit.
I check and check internet to see how people able to make use living grimoire, then only know this spell is one of the most powerful stunning swift spell that only inquisitor and paladin can cast, and you can heighten it without extra casting time with prepare caster.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Banana:

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

I dont have a save at level 7 atm, i turned off steam cloud sync ages ago because it made closing the game take 10 hours (probably due to file size idk) and i dont own midnight isles because its not my cup of tea.
Hence why im asking the first place.

Google exit.
I check and check internet to see how people able to make use living grimoire, then only know this spell is one of the most powerful stunning swift spell that only inquisitor and paladin can cast, and you can heighten it without extra casting time with prepare caster.

Based on empiric evidence - "trust me bro" statements on google/reddit/steam/whatever are about as reliable as sandals in winter.

[Banana]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Originally posted by Banana:

Google exit.
I check and check internet to see how people able to make use living grimoire, then only know this spell is one of the most powerful stunning swift spell that only inquisitor and paladin can cast, and you can heighten it without extra casting time with prepare caster.

Based on empiric evidence - "trust me bro" statements on google/reddit/steam/whatever are about as reliable as sandals in winter.

"i never check google, never check save file, never use the spell, never use this class. Yet i think i know everything than anyone."
"trust me bro" statements on google/reddit/steam/whatever are about as reliable as sandals in winter., Yup, thats you.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Banana:

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Based on empiric evidence - "trust me bro" statements on google/reddit/steam/whatever are about as reliable as sandals in winter.

"i never check google, never check save file, never use the spell, never use this class. Yet i think i know everything than anyone."
"trust me bro" statements on google/reddit/steam/whatever are about as reliable as sandals in winter., Yup, thats you.

I literally wrote

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

and since i reported it multiple times i eventually just assumed its an intended change.

So ive clearly used it. In fact if it is actually fixed - which thanks to your lack of valuable contributions that would have taken you about 1 minute to screenshot and share i still dont know for sure - theres a good chance i contributed to it actually being fixed.

Average steam forum user tbh

[Banana]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Originally posted by Banana:

"i never check google, never check save file, never use the spell, never use this class. Yet i think i know everything than anyone."
"trust me bro" statements on google/reddit/steam/whatever are about as reliable as sandals in winter., Yup, thats you.

I literally wrote

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

and since i reported it multiple times i eventually just assumed its an intended change.

So ive clearly used it. In fact if it is actually fixed - which thanks to your lack of valuable contributions that would have taken you about 1 minute to screenshot and share i still dont know for sure - theres a good chance i contributed to it actually being fixed.

Average steam forum user tbh

I dont know whats the point of your argument, seriously, i already said this spell is swift spell, only spell resistance but no save, same as the one you posted, so? Or you here want to argue just because i didnt write spell resistance??
Why i need to post pic where the first thing you google that spell, the picture would should you what it is.

[reidj062]

Originally posted by Banana:

This class is amazing, once you reached and get level 3, you are able to get 2 Swift Spells (and you can get another Swift Spell sonic buff on level 5 spell and level 6), which one of them are stunning spell with NO SAVE, and will make enemy Stun and flat-footed while you attack them.
This class is INT prepare spell class, which means you can put heighten metamagic on those swift spell with no extra casting time.
Weapon enchantment, divine power (pre-buff or swift rod), use the swift stunning spell, you can kill enemy easily, even boss.
But this class is super Squishy, better hide behind tank.

LOL, it's not. You basically start off with a masterwork weapon, which is nice. And it scales with you. But you need to spend a standard action to enhance it, and it can only be a full magical weapon for a limited amount of time per day. This means your class weapon enhancement feature is weaker than that of a paladin, spirit hunter, warpriest, or magus. All of these classes can have a PERMANENT magic weapon and then enhance it further, provided they haven't reached the required cap. In addition, enhance the holy book gets its extra duration from wisdom, while all other features are based on wisdom (huh?).

In addition, it's the weakest of the divine prepared spellcasters. Every other divine spellcaster that prepares spells gets all their class spells the moment they reach the required level. You actually need to acquire spells through leveling or buying them. Sure, it's not a huge inconvenience, but it really doesn't offer you anything worthwhile by making this change.

You get some teamwork feats, sure, but you could do that with a regular inquisitor or a cavalier. I guess the capstone ability is neat, but that's about it.

[Banana]

Originally posted by reidj062:

Originally posted by Banana:

This class is amazing, once you reached and get level 3, you are able to get 2 Swift Spells (and you can get another Swift Spell sonic buff on level 5 spell and level 6), which one of them are stunning spell with NO SAVE, and will make enemy Stun and flat-footed while you attack them.
This class is INT prepare spell class, which means you can put heighten metamagic on those swift spell with no extra casting time.
Weapon enchantment, divine power (pre-buff or swift rod), use the swift stunning spell, you can kill enemy easily, even boss.
But this class is super Squishy, better hide behind tank.

LOL, it's not. You basically start off with a masterwork weapon, which is nice. And it scales with you. But you need to spend a standard action to enhance it, and it can only be a full magical weapon for a limited amount of time per day. This means your class weapon enhancement feature is weaker than that of a paladin, spirit hunter, warpriest, or magus. All of these classes can have a PERMANENT magic weapon and then enhance it further, provided they haven't reached the required cap. In addition, enhance the holy book gets its extra duration from wisdom, while all other features are based on wisdom (huh?).

In addition, it's the weakest of the divine prepared spellcasters. Every other divine spellcaster that prepares spells gets all their class spells the moment they reach the required level. You actually need to acquire spells through leveling or buying them. Sure, it's not a huge inconvenience, but it really doesn't offer you anything worthwhile by making this change.

You get some teamwork feats, sure, but you could do that with a regular inquisitor or a cavalier. I guess the capstone ability is neat, but that's about it.

You can compare to other classes all you want, it's not a beast class, or even good, but what I do is how to make it works and useable.
Tons of other classes better than this class and easy to use, of course I know that, but doesn't mean everyone has to be scaled firt, pets and crane style.
At least now even on hard, I can make her kill thing fast and how to utilise swift spells every turn, stun those enemy that too hard to kill every turn, and focus on small enemy first

[Dave]

When i read this i got interested

Then i understood you were talking about Litany of eloquence spell to stun your enemy

Not only that spell last 1 round, pretty short to kill an enemy. It doesn't make it flat-footed, it is a 3rd level spell, meaning lvl 7 inquisitor and has to pass spell resitance, meaning you need to use Spell penetration talents and items

I tried giving it to Lann...focusing on SPell Penetration.....BAD IDEA. When the spell atually worked, not getting resisted...it was pretty uselss round, since i just kept missing due to the high AC

Nah..not a good class

Or maybe, a fun class for Story mode, not much else