Pure Melee Lich?

[Desiani]

I'm looking to do something RP wise that's not castery at all outside of the Lich spells (and maybe something like blood rage, hag riven especially), mostly for theme. What classes would make for good Liches?

I find the idea of a dinosaur or fey shifter going undead to try and 'stay alive forever' appeal or maybe a mutation warrior? I've never messed around with Skald or monk at all. I saw Ghost Rider cavalier but I haven't even dipped my toe into the Pet Game within WOTR yet!

Thoughts or Ideas? :)

[Yannir]

A. Don't skip on pets and mounts. You're missing out. Lich can make a mount Undead so you don't need to necessarily pick Ghost Rider.
B. Lich does lend itself pretty well to a melee build. Vampiric Blade and Bone Shield are good buff spells for a melee character. There are also Lich Powers that support melee builds.

[Desiani]

Originally posted by Yannir:

A. Don't skip on pets and mounts. You're missing out. Lich can make a mount Undead so you don't need to necessarily pick Ghost Rider.
B. Lich does lend itself pretty well to a melee build. Vampiric Blade and Bone Shield are good buff spells for a melee character. There are also Lich Powers that support melee builds.

Doesn't making your mount undead cause it to lose a bunch of HP due to the con loss? I will admit... an undead raptor is hilarious

[pete3great]

Originally posted by Desiani:

Originally posted by Yannir:

A. Don't skip on pets and mounts. You're missing out. Lich can make a mount Undead so you don't need to necessarily pick Ghost Rider.
B. Lich does lend itself pretty well to a melee build. Vampiric Blade and Bone Shield are good buff spells for a melee character. There are also Lich Powers that support melee builds.

Doesn't making your mount undead cause it to lose a bunch of HP due to the con loss? I will admit... an undead raptor is hilarious

Probably, I've also never been sure how all the mythic abilities and the various lich/ghost rider abilities mesh.

[Desiani]

Can you cast spells in wild shape as lich shifter?

[Fritzpud]

kitsune / litch / hag riven bloodrager could be a very strong combo / something I was thinking of doing. Main problems with it though is that A) you lose access to the 24h 1 round / level spells that are relatively easy as part of a merged spellbook litch run. and B) Most of the really powerful hag riven abilities come on much later, and you lose iterative attacks based on BAB.
You can enhance your claws with haste permanantly as part of the sourcerous claws ability but A) that's only 2 extra attacks and B) that comes online pretty late if I recall correctly, and there isn't really another way to stack more natural attacks past the demonic mythic horns and bite from serpentine bloodline (mythic bloodline allows you to pick bloodlines the hag riven wouldn't normally be allowed to have) and / or kitsune so your max attack cap is pretty much six.

[Fritzpud]

Originally posted by Desiani:

Can you cast spells in wild shape as lich shifter?

You might need the natural spell feat but I feel like I remember the feyform shifter not needing that (though I could be wrong).