The font size is still really poor. Can it be fixed? OwlCat, can you make sure all future games do not have this issue, please?

[Katie]

I'm attempting to play the game at 4k, and in my opinion, the game is unplayable. This is not an accessibility issue. I'd argue that this font size isn't even adequate for the general audience of customers across planet Earth.

I'm trying to adjust the font size to 1.2, and the reality is that it's still way too small. Here is a formula you should be using to compute the MINIMUM font size for any given resolution:

(Resolution / 480p) * 12px = Adjusted Font Size For New Resolution

Given this formula, the minimum font sizes for standard resolutions are:

27px for 1080p
36px for 1440p
54px for 2160p

And often, there is a benefit to using larger font sizes than these. For dialogue and many other things, I'd recommend 50-100% bigger than this for comfortable reading when sitting on a couch several feet away from a television.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3136450184

Notice that the 56px font is actually fairly readable for the average person at 4k. This is not an accessibility font size. This should have been the standard "1" font option for 4K, yet yours is MUCH smaller than this.

I also added a 78px font size. That's the kind of font size you might want to consider at 1.2 for people who REALLY need assistance due to a visual impairment.

As for the ".8" font size option, I don't even know why it's there. Does anyone seriously use this? The font size is too small. There doesn't need to be an option to make it smaller.

Really disappointing. The font sizing options are basically useless as is.

[Triple G]

I use 0.8 and find it too big on 1440p. One could adjust it better and offer more options.

(Edit: i actually don´t know if the option changes anything at all tbh)

One could also add some option that the tooltips don´t open after 0.1 milliseconds. So adjust the duration, or add some button to actually show the tooltips. One could add a button to drop items, or actually buttons to do anything in the inventory. One could work on the inventory in the first place.

If it´s about UI in general, while one could make the lower UI for the party members a bit wider so actually the pets would fit in - that it basically changes the size dynamically without the need to scroll - without scrolling option except for clicking the buttons to the left and right. A smaller UI for that could help - without a size change for the spells and abilities - one could add some more belt options...

[Katie]

Originally posted by Triple G:

I use 0.8 and find it too big on 1440p.

You are the extremely minority of the population, clearly. You must have some of the best vision on planet earth, seriously. You should do archery at the olympics or something.

Anyway, I don't really care about removing the 0.8. If you and 5 other people want to use it, have fun. I can just attest from all of my experience developing software that the current font size and the 1.2 option is way too small.

[Triple G]

I had very good eyes. Nowadays it´s glasses and i can´t see much further than 3m. They ´re okay at that distance i´d say. And the monitor isn´t that far away...

[Katie]

Originally posted by Triple G:

I had very good eyes. Nowadays it´s glasses and i can´t see much further than 3m. They ´re okay at that distance i´d say. And the monitor isn´t that far away...

Actually, my computer is hooked up to my 55" inch tv. I'm actually sitting on a couch. I use the razor turret for mouse/keyboard, so I'm quite a bit further away.

[Triple G]

That´s the next thing. Resolution alone doesn´t matter much. It´s about distance and size of the panel / screen.

I´m honestly unsure if You need 4k when sitting that far away. I have a 27 inch, or foot, or however they call "Zoll" monitor - and the distance is shorter than 1m. But more than 50cm. If i lean back it´s perhaps 1m. For that size 1440p is okay. I´d need 4k if i also had a 55´´ screen on the same distance. But on TV with a bigger screen 1440p or even 1080p is sharp enough - given the additional distance, which would automatically make the text bigger and it needs less resources to render the picture.

And i guess PC gaming from the couch on a TV screen is more uncommon - just saying because You said i´m in a minority.

[Katie]

4k is the native resolution for my tv, and so if I have the game in borderless windowed mode, I can alt-tab to my desktop to look things up about the game, like guides and such, while I play. Setting it to the lower resolution just makes it blurrier.

It has to be said though, all the fonts on my desktop and in Chrome or even in WebStorm (the IDE I use to program in) are way larger than the actual game. The game is still too small, regardless of distance. I program software on another computer at 1440p, and my resolution scale is set to 225%. I can't imagine having it any lower. I think my 4k display is set to 350%.

I don't think my scaling is that abnormal honestly. 480p is the base resolution for Windows, because it was built on Windows 95, which was built on Windows 3.1. So 1440p is actually 3x as big as the base resolution in Windows, and I'm only using 225%.

2160p is 4.5x bigger than 480p, yet I'm only scaling to 350%. So technically, in both cases, I am actually scaling less than what screens used to look like per inch in the mid-90's.

The font sizes in the game are objectively too small. If you compare a 12px font on a 20" monitor in 1998, it should look exactly the same on a 4k 20" monitor, but it doesn't. It's smaller. In order for it to look the same, it has to be 54px. Some of the fonts in Wrath actually look like they are way less than 20px - it's really bad.

[Katie]

This is probably the number reason I have not purchased Rogue Trader

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3136540385

[Triple G]

Yes - imho i would prefer to see more if the scenery instead of only the text or UI, which is oftentimes a bit distracting. And for reading it´s an okay size - in the menus. But sometimes the text is just a bit too big. I don´t need a tooltip window which covers half of the screen, with no way to turn them off.

But like said: they could make the text size slider functional - and wider...

Also You should play EU4, which has a really tiny text and some hard to read font for that - with no option to change the size - while it has an option, but it makes it completely blurry....

And i for myself have never touched the resolution scale on any of my screens. I did it in one game for testing in hopes it would get rid of the aliasing, but it didn´t. And i don´t think many people use resolution scale outside of something like DLSS or FSR for gaming, while they usually buy a monitor which fits their needs, without the need to play with the resolution.

Also i don´t think many people would see 480p as baseline for anything. When 3.1 was a thing i guess people had a 15´´ monitor. And that is probably the video resolution or old TV resolution - no idea.

Also 1440p isn´t 3 times as big as 480p, but much more.

640 x 480 = 307,200 pixel.
2,560 x 1,440 = 3,686,400 pixel.

So it´s like 12 times the size.

And 3,840 x 2,160 = 8,294,400 pixel.

That´s more than 25 times the size.

And of course it looks different on a different resolution on the same size monitor. More pixel = smaller font, if the size of the panel is the same...

[jayel83]

Oh yes this.

I have 20 20 vision and I find the font too smAll at 1.2 on 1080p


There should be options for those who want to play from the couch and the visually impaired.

Pillars games have the same problem.

[xiaoleiwen]

https://github.com/cookEsandcream/MoreFontSizes/

In case anyone found this thread and need helps.