Level up, WTF?

[mikep2007]

I level up as sorcerer but get no attribute point or spells, WTF?

[Kinoringan]

Sorcerer get extra attribute at level 4,8,12,16,20. Sorcerer start getting extra spells at level 3 onwards.

[Vanuz]

Some level-ups are "empty" only giving bonuses to some saving throws and more health points. Like my sorcerer on 2, 4, 8 levels and every even level so far. Look at your character progression.

[mikep2007]

When it says you get bonus spell due to attribute, do they mean uses per day or more spells when you get to get more spells?

[Vanuz]

Originally posted by mikep2007:

When it says you get bonus spell due to attribute, do they mean uses per day or more spells when you get to get more spells?

If I remember correctly it indeed means just more uses of already known spells.

[Mugiwara]

Did you pick Crossblooded Sorcerer?

They get hit even harder with spell availability. But they make up for that in other ways. Still not an easy class to use early game.

[Soul]

they are on level behind on spell progression of wizards.... and crossblooded first spell of that level is removed.... so it looks like their delayed by 2 levels from wizards.... but the crossblooded sorcerer still gets spells per day of the new level spells they didnt unlock due to archetype.... that means you can use metamagic on lower level spells and slot them to the higher tier...

also on the character class details it should show you when and what levels you gain spells if you hover over the icons... the tab with the chart that shows what levels unlock what...

[Razer]

Check your character progression sheet. Also check Pathfinder ruleset. You gain stat increase at 4th level (every class) and every 4 levels after, 5 points in total.

[mikep2007]

I tried 3 different kinds of Sorcerer only one of which was Crossblooded Sorcerer, including Sage but got the same outcome at level up. The spell thing kind of sucks, but if you did not get attribute points that completely changes how you would build your character at creation. So there is no way to increase the number of NEW spells you get. Are there items that increase the characters attributes while equipped? Does the amount of XP you get in combat increase with enemy difficulty or is it just set for that type of enemy?

[Mugiwara]

You get attribute points every 4 levels. There is indeed plenty of gear which boosts stats as well as spells (There are loads of consumables that can be used too).

There is also gear which can increase spells. One of which is Dark Omen (you can get this in the tavern at the beginning of the game) which adds necromancy spells for spontaneous casters such as sorcerers.

[Kinoringan]

Originally posted by mikep2007:

I tried 3 different kinds of Sorcerer only one of which was Crossblooded Sorcerer, including Sage but got the same outcome at level up. The spell thing kind of sucks, but if you did not get attribute points that completely changes how you would build your character at creation. So there is no way to increase the number of NEW spells you get. Are there items that increase the characters attributes while equipped? Does the amount of XP you get in combat increase with enemy difficulty or is it just set for that type of enemy?

Choose half elf with kindred raised. You can have 22 charisma right at start.
There are +charisma headband you can find or buy.
If you want to increase your level fast. At difficulty option. Turn on "only active companions receive experience".
Since you want new spells asap, how about playing as wizard? You can buy scrolls and then learn the spells through the scrolls.

[Soul]

Originally posted by mikep2007:

I tried 3 different kinds of Sorcerer only one of which was Crossblooded Sorcerer, including Sage but got the same outcome at level up. The spell thing kind of sucks, but if you did not get attribute points that completely changes how you would build your character at creation. So there is no way to increase the number of NEW spells you get. Are there items that increase the characters attributes while equipped? Does the amount of XP you get in combat increase with enemy difficulty or is it just set for that type of enemy?

there kinda is a way to increase spells as a sorcerer....

rings like red salamander ring for instance have a bunch of spells on it....

red salamander
If the wearer of this ring has the ability to cast spells spontaneously, it grants them the ability to cast the following spells: fireball, controlled fireball, firesnake, hellfire ray, fire storm, and fiery body. To cast a spell, the wearer still needs to have a spell slot of the required level.

which means while wearing that ring those spells are added to your spellbook.... AND you can apply metamagic to them.... AND after you apply metamagic to them you can remove the ring and still get to keep the spell in your spellbook... so even when you level up as a crossblooded sorcerer and dont get your 6th level spell as a normal sorcerer... that ring would give you a 6th level spell hellfire ray you could cast since you still have the ability to cast 6th level spells just not able to learn the first one you normally would....

plus there is a staff in Act 3 later on you can get through crusades... plague of madness staff.... when you cast the same spell like 3 times in a row every subsequent cast after that will be both empowered AND maximized.... so taking something like favorite metamagic bolster mythic feat to reduce bolster to costing 0 when applied.... you could put bolster and heighten on say level 2 scorching ray to slot into spells level 2 through 5.... and hellfire ray from spell levels 6 to 9.... just base class alone not counting attributes you get 6 spells per level by 20th level.... so that would mean at minimum 24 scorching rays and 24 hellfire rays you could chain cast... with staff you can proc the effect with cantrips before the fight with something like spamming a buff cantrip a couple of times.... so your first damage spell would be bolstered, empowered, maximized... then use something like sorcerous reflex to cast 2 spells in first turn after opening fight... and pretty much by round 2 if your using same spell you could be doing every cast of same spell bolstered, empowered, and maximized....

so yeah... if you wanna play a sorcerer... dont pass up on metamagic... its the best way to make more use of your spells..... especially with heighten... you might know little amount of spells.... but you can take something like haste and slap metmagic heighten on it to slot it from levels 3 to 9 on spellbook and have up to 42 minimum amount of times to cast it by 20th level... or maybe grease with heighten?.... 1 to 9.... thats 54 greases... point is metamagic allows you to always have damage, buffs, and CC at your fingertips pretty much as long as you have spells per day available...

[hilburnashua]

There is also a ring availible in the starting inn that gives spontaneous casters a few necromantic spells.

In Blackrock there is a bracer that gives spontaneous casters access to pretty much every electricity spell.

So spontaneous casters have a lot of flexiibility in WotR.

Once you start getting mythic ranks if you are planning on doing a blaster type sorcerer you are going to want to get the ability that doubles the number of spells per day for certain spell levels (1-3rd for the 1st, 4-6th for the 2nd, 7-9th for the third rank of the ability).

[Soul]

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

There is also a ring availible in the starting inn that gives spontaneous casters a few necromantic spells.

In Blackrock there is a bracer that gives spontaneous casters access to pretty much every electricity spell.

So spontaneous casters have a lot of flexiibility in WotR.

Once you start getting mythic ranks if you are planning on doing a blaster type sorcerer you are going to want to get the ability that doubles the number of spells per day for certain spell levels (1-3rd for the 1st, 4-6th for the 2nd, 7-9th for the third rank of the ability).

it doesnt double... it only gives 4 extra spells per day for each spell level..... base sorcerer without counting attributes would be able to cast 6 spells per day per spell level by end game.... attributes of course make that number higher... so those 3 mythic feats would make is so minimum number of spells you'd be able to cast is 10..... instead of 6...

[mikep2007]

Thanks all. Does the amount of XP you get in combat increase with enemy difficulty or is it just set for that type of enemy?

[Soul]

Originally posted by mikep2007:

Thanks all. Does the amount of XP you get in combat increase with enemy difficulty or is it just set for that type of enemy?

I cant remember.... but I know that higher difficulty gives more xp.... but not sure if its because of increase of number of enemies or not...