New mythic feats are broken (Armor focus Mythic)

[Kit]

Armor focus (Mythic) is not working for all heavy armors. In my case i chose the one for heavy armor Avoidance and i did not get the strength bonus to my AC and of course i am wearing a heavy armor.

[mbradtke]

are you wearing a mythril armor? it might be possible that you need the medium armor feat for heavy mythril armor, even it is heavy armor...
if not, make sure u dont use any mods and report it in game alt+b

[Kit]

Originally posted by mbradtke:

are you wearing a mythril armor? it might be possible that you need the medium armor feat for heavy mythril armor, even it is heavy armor...
if not, make sure u dont use any mods and report it in game alt+b

Yes it was a mythril armor. And that is a heavy armor

[mbradtke]

mythril armor counts as one armor type lower for feats, dont ask me why (:
it is as it is, you probably need a medium armor feat then, or wear a non-mythril armor for heavy, that should work

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

Originally posted by mbradtke:

mythril armor counts as one armor type lower for feats, dont ask me why (:
it is as it is, you probably need a medium armor feat then, or wear a non-mythril armor for heavy, that should work

By RAW that is how it works. Mithril makes it count as Medium.

[mbradtke]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Originally posted by mbradtke:

mythril armor counts as one armor type lower for feats, dont ask me why (:
it is as it is, you probably need a medium armor feat then, or wear a non-mythril armor for heavy, that should work

By RAW that is how it works. Mithril makes it count as Medium.

sure, that sounds logical, if we ignore the fact that you still need the heavy armor feat to wear it however, but whatever.... lol at last i guess so, would be funny if you could wear it now without heavy armor prof.... would make more sense at last

[oburec]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Originally posted by mbradtke:

mythril armor counts as one armor type lower for feats, dont ask me why (:
it is as it is, you probably need a medium armor feat then, or wear a non-mythril armor for heavy, that should work

By RAW that is how it works. Mithril makes it count as Medium.

No, that is not how it works by RAW. It says "for purposes of movement and other limitations".

Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor.

Armor focus meanwhile says

Your familiarity with a specific type of armor increases the amount of protection you receive from it.

So it's pretty clear that Armor Focus is basically proficiency+, and any changes related to proficiency are explicitly excluded from the mithral keyword effects. At the very least, it should be obvious that Armor Focus is not related to movement or other limitations.

Otherwise, what even is mithral heavy armor? It really takes a special kind of thinking to seriously say that requiring Heavy proficiency and Medium focus is okay, even considering it's Pathfinder we are talking about.

Ironically, Mythic Medium Armor - Endurance suddenly becomes pretty good, if it is based on mithral fullplate. In order to get even with it while wearing non-mithral heavy armor you'd have to have some extreme strength values, which is the sort of minmaxing that not everyone enjoys.

So it seems Owlcat broke and fixed some stuff at the same time here.

[oburec]

Originally posted by John Doe:

Originally posted by oburec:

So it's pretty clear that Armor Focus is basically proficiency+

Actually Armor Focus in table top is different in TTRPG, the rules don't have Armor focus: light/Medium/Heavy.
Instead, you have armor focus: Fullplate/Halfplate, all the way down to chail main, leather etc.
Owlcat trimmed the fat down, and decided to make Armor Focus with 3 categories, instead of a million.
So basically in tabletop, you take Armor Focus: Fullplate, in this game you take Armor Focus: Medium for Mithral Fullplate armor.

Originally posted by oburec:

Otherwise, what even is mithral heavy armor?

It's for flavor, and spell casters(Arcane Failure chance), max dex, and all that

Ok, thank you for the correction.

So, fullplate benefits from Armor Focus: Fullplate in TT, regardless of material. That makes sense.

Owlcat's implementation as of recent patches doesn't.