Mythic armor focus + Carapace

[Hicks]

It seems that mythic armor focus is not applying if I'm wearing carapace.
Since Carapace is heavy armor, I'm not sure if this is a bug or it's because it is a unique or mithril heavy armor. If I switch armor with a regular full plate, the feat works.
Any experience with this?

[JD_888]

It seems the game thinks it's a medium armor because it's mithral, and it works with the medium armor focus mythic feat instead. Same thing happens with mithral medium armor (like Chainmail of Comradery), the mythic feats treat it as light armor. It's a bug for sure, hope they fix it, mithral armor should still be treated as whatever light/medium/heavy type it is for corresponding feats.

[AceMinato]

According to the TTRPG-Ruleset, this is exactly how this is supposed to work.
A heavy armor made out of Mithral is considered medium, medium light and light stays light.
Never put too much thought into this in the context of the game, but... here we go, this distinction is actually relevant for once.
So... yeah, Carapace as a mithral full plate should be considered medium armor. The important thing now would be to find out, what kind of armor focus applies and if it's heavy armor focus, then maybe that should also be fixed.

E: You will still need the original armor proficency though, that's explicitely stated in the Mithral special rule. So for a full plate you still need Heavy Armor Proficency, even if Mithral (if it does) reduces it to a medium armor.

[Invisible]

Ist your normal "heavy armour focus" applied with carapace

[hilburnashua]

Mithril armor reducing what type the armor is has always been wonky in Pathfinder and GMs end up house ruling lots of interactions.

[Hicks]

Yeah, in the end, opted out for another mythic feat. Carapace is so good I dont wish to trade it for a fully fledged heavy armor - at least for now. But my paladin will want a new set of armor at some point :)
Thx everyone!

I am kind of surprised noone stumbled upon this "problem" until now. I did read people opt out for pajama armor a lot but still.

[JD_888]

They're treated a one category lighter only for the purposes of overcoming limitations, they're still their original category for feats and proficiency:

Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations . Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor’s check penalty to all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving.

So for example a duelist can wear a mithral medium armor and still get benefits from duelist abilities that require light armor.
I guess DMs have their own interpretations of this, so maybe Owlcat decided to implement it like this, but it would be extremely weird, the regular armor focus feats work with mithral armor of their category (heavy armor focus works with carapace), but mythic armor focus feats that require these original feats don't? IMO this is a bug.

[SilentScreams]

Thanks for this, it was driving me crazy trying to figure out why my Seelah just lost like half of her DPS.

[mbradtke]

report it ingame alt+b