jesus wtf is this character creation menu

[Cornelius Edgerton]

that's more reading and comprehension than doing a law degree at harvard. they need to trim it down just a notch. it's way too overwhelming. are you supposed to understand any of these choices you make? I for one don't know wtf i'm doing. especially the "feat" option, there's, what, a million choices there? how am i supposed to pick?

Also: what is the vegan sign next to some of the options in character creation mean? the green "V".

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

It is all rooted in structural and functional costs basically. That's the basis of management. And you'll make more money by using a volume logic than to work on something new to sell. Volume logic doesn't add any new production costs. Now, a Pathfinder cannot rely much on volume as it is a niche, so they should focus on a small team with small structural costs to begin with. 120 employees in multiple places is just managerial nonsense, hence their DLC logic and the expensive price for the whole to sustain their management model.
It probably won't last, Rogue Trader will really need to be good and popular otherwise they'll have hard time for their next projects.

This market is hard and very competitive. What allows such flaws and commercial policies is because it's still a growing market and it's full of addicts ready to pay more to get less.

[lunaticasylum]

All of the modern RPG games should invest in making the character-creation menu as great as it is in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. This is one of the many things that keeps us occupied in the game. Reading, contemplating, and choosing are magnificent ways to make a creation with its flaws and perfections of your choice.
Baldur's Gate 3, for instance, failed to realize that micromanagement and thought processes are welcome by players; and the game came to become as dull and vapid for RPG players as a children's sandbox for adults.

[Mr Fred]

Originally posted by lunaticasylum:

All of the modern RPG games should invest in making the character-creation menu as great as it is in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. This is one of the many things that keeps us occupied in the game. Reading, contemplating, and choosing are magnificent ways to make a creation with its flaws and perfections of your choice.
Baldur's Gate 3, for instance, failed to realize that micromanagement and thought processes are welcome by players; and the game came to become as dull and vapid for RPG players as a children's sandbox for adults.

BG3 niche down the year will be as the go to entry level crpg of choice nothing less nothing more really. The rare people that do like REAL crpg and arent simply riding the popularity wave will crave for more meat than this barebone ultra streamlined game.

[Glimmer]

Originally posted by John Doe:

Originally posted by ThreeLeggedCow:

The character creation screen in pathfinder wotr is to give the illusion of depth and choice, when in reality nearly all classes perform pretty equally when built right, only a handfull really stick out.

Just follow a guide. Make life easy on yourself.

I personally find the phrase "illusion of choice" pretty annoying, it's such an umbrella term, it's literally meaningless in most contexts.
Especially since you followed some "guide", I'm even more unsure what you mean by "illusion of depth and choice", considering you clearly gave up on them at the first convenient moment.

also build guides are not needed, in fact, I find most of them don't even fit my play style.
you are allow to make mistakes in the game, and most of the time the mistake doesn't even cost you anything, I've literally finished the game on unfair, only to find out later some of my core team members have non functional feats in subsequent playthroughs

The illusion of choice exists because most options are just flat bad. You are actively hurt by taking them without even so much as a roleplaying benefit. This "choice" is entirely divorced from playing a character in a setting that acts a certain way, but is instead meant as more like an academic exam, where there are right and wrong answers with failing marks for the wrong answers. What most people want with "choice" is the ability to choose their own adventures and to interact with the world, the characters, and the story in a way they so choose. Many WOTR nerds confuse this desire as being stupid and unwilling to put in work to master...what is essentially a math equation.

[mayrc]

i keep hearing the nonsese that some options are flat bad? What are you talking about? Give us an example what is plain bad? If you take focus spellcasting on a NON-Spellcaster or what?

[Illuminary]

Originally posted by Vertigo:

Originally posted by Illuminary:

I think the problem is the people who push their opinion the game is great, aren't capable of accepting criticism about the massive flaws BG3 has. If you peruse the subreddit you'd be confused why people constantly claim it's the best game ever made, when each patch routinely breaks other things. I see crash here, bug there, issue here, can't do this there, all the time.

I'm on my third BG3 run, I really really like the game a lot, but I can't lie to myself and say it's not ladened with issues and problems, to the point, it's not fully complete. They just added a real epilogue which should have been there five patches ago. I personally wouldn't take those opinions as personal attacks if their statements were, I love this game, but...etc...kind of like how this thread is. BG3 community comes off as fanbois hate to say.

I still ask the same fundamental question: so what? Opinions are like noses; everyone has one. It's funny watching people that are so bent out of shape over an opinion they don't agree with (and that goes both ways). Who cares if people think it is the best thing ever? I almost envy those whose lives are so problem free that this is what keeps them up at night. Liking/disliking a game does not mean person A is smarter than (or has better taste) than person B. I think some people are far too in love with their own ideas. For how passionate people get about their opinions, you would think these games are their personal identity.

Here's a simple question I wish many would think on: why do some feel the need to change other people's opinions? The world would be incredibly boring if we never had different ways of seeing things. Just as I think some people's opinions are terrible, I am sure some would say the same about mine. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

Every game has problems. I 100% agree about the epilogue and the decline in content in Act 3. I wish the camera controls and pathing were better. I also loathe turn based games on that scale. Still, I enjoy playing it. I have put more time into WotR, but I feel both have their appeal. That said, I really don't know what some out there are going to do when it wins multiple awards this year...

Because the game is broken and infested with bugs, no matter how amazing of a game it might be. That should disqualify it from being GOTY. Larian needs to be held to the fire other devs are that the gaming community is suddenly upset with. The game should still be in EA but the investors were getting antsy with how long it was taking, so it was pushed out. Three years for DOS3 should be kind of an insult to be honest, not something that warrants praise.

Patch after patch, bug after bug, issue after issue, more patches breaks more things, causes more issues. Tons of people saying Minthara has hp issues, can't be knocked out correctly on a good play, seen photos of her as a vendor. Reviews and graphics CANNOT be the only criteria for GOTY at all, not even remotely.

[Jack Greedy]

I will drop my 2 cents here, at first i think that BG3 was a better game , until i played Pathfinders (both Kingmaker and this one). This is real spirit of rpg adventure here, bg3 is still good rpg but doesnt even come close to PAthfinders in general.
Im so happy that Rogue Trader is around a corner, months of playing ahead of me. Still in the middle of Kingmaker after around 80 hours in , thats crazy good !

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by Illuminary:

Because the game is broken and infested with bugs, no matter how amazing of a game it might be. That should disqualify it from being GOTY. Larian needs to be held to the fire other devs are that the gaming community is suddenly upset with. The game should still be in EA but the investors were getting antsy with how long it was taking, so it was pushed out. Three years for DOS3 should be kind of an insult to be honest, not something that warrants praise.

Patch after patch, bug after bug, issue after issue, more patches breaks more things, causes more issues. Tons of people saying Minthara has hp issues, can't be knocked out correctly on a good play, seen photos of her as a vendor. Reviews and graphics CANNOT be the only criteria for GOTY at all, not even remotely.

Let me be clear I agree with the overall frustration with unfinished products. Cyberpunk earned plenty of awards, and Elden Ring (as much as I love it) had its share of bugs too. It does come down to being a problem since game companies are also beholden to shareholders and investors who care more about profit than delivering a product. I wish it were not so.

It's also the fault of the gaming community as a whole. I remember that image of people that were playing MW2 despite saying they would boycott it. That sent a clear message to developers that gamers do little more than whine. People also love microtransactions for some reason.

Still, WotR was nominated in 2022 as GoTY for the D.I.C.E. awards. Owlcat does not answer to investors but still produces a buggy mess with each release (and I say this because I could not finish Lord of Nothing on day 2 due to bugs). Should it not be included for that reason as well? Should we DQ them from the labor of love award?

I am not saying that for a "gotcha," but to make a point.