Why does this game get the amount of hate that it does?

[Zapp Brannigan]

Im sure its not a huge crowd that actually hates the game but for some reason when i look up this game on various forums I do end up seeing alot of negative comments about this game in particular. I freaking love this game myself. Like easily one of my most favourite RPGs of all time. And ive played Divinity 2 and Baldurs gate 3 and most of the classic rpgs. Morrowind is my favourite of all time.

[Wondervice]

Diposting pertama kali oleh BigBadYoda:

Even though I have many an issue with the writing in WotR, all this is written pretty well. As in natural and not in your face. I mean, there is nothing wrong with strong self assured women as long as they fit naturally in an environment and are not Marry Sues. Same with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ relationship and the kind of effeminate noble. That just works and blends into everything else.

I didn't say it was an issue. I said it was funny how some people want to pretend that WotR is ye olde classic fantasy as in contrast with the modern day big nasty bad woke BG3.
And I do not think WOTR has better writing quality than BG3. (It is better in some parts but in others it is a lot worse.)

[BigBadYoda]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wondervice:

Diposting pertama kali oleh BigBadYoda:

Even though I have many an issue with the writing in WotR, all this is written pretty well. As in natural and not in your face. I mean, there is nothing wrong with strong self assured women as long as they fit naturally in an environment and are not Marry Sues. Same with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ relationship and the kind of effeminate noble. That just works and blends into everything else.

I didn't say it was an issue. I said it was funny how some people want to pretend that WotR is ye olde classic fantasy as in contrast with the modern day big nasty bad woke BG3.
And I do not think WOTR has better writing quality than BG3. (It is better in some parts but in others it is a lot worse.)

Agreed, I was just saying that the "woke stuff" writing is much more on the nose in BG3 compared to WotR. And they were not trying to stir up "controversy" with it, which Lariat is clearly guilty of.

[Janthis]

Diposting pertama kali oleh BigBadYoda:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wondervice:

I didn't say it was an issue. I said it was funny how some people want to pretend that WotR is ye olde classic fantasy as in contrast with the modern day big nasty bad woke BG3.
And I do not think WOTR has better writing quality than BG3. (It is better in some parts but in others it is a lot worse.)

Agreed, I was just saying that the "woke stuff" writing is much more on the nose in BG3 compared to WotR. And they were not trying to stir up "controversy" with it, which Lariat is clearly guilty of.

Yeah, exactly. It feels more natural somehow in WotR and Owlcat doesn't do nearly as much woke virtue signalling as Larian.

[Wondervice]

What I would say is BG3 NPCs are certainly annoyingly thirsty for player genitals, which is very noticeable and out of place at the start of the game.
So if a man hitting on you is "woke stuff", then yeah. (Ironically, it was the opposite for me as I had to be very careful not to start the Shadowheart romance since I actually wanted to do the sweaty mansex thing.)
But other than that, BG3 has a very nice bonding progression and is way more interactive than WotR's 'Tell me something about you!' -> 'Ok.'. And the idea that it owes its success to the ♥♥♥ scenes or to being some sot of perverted ♥♥♥♥ game is pretty pathetic, considering the dozens of hours you have to play and adventure before you even have a chance at doing anything ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the companion (Laezel is the sole exception I think).

[Elizabello]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wondervice:

What I would say is BG3 NPCs are certainly annoyingly thirsty for player genitals, which is very noticeable and out of place at the start of the game.
So if a man hitting on you is "woke stuff", then yeah. (Ironically, it was the opposite for me as I had to be very careful not to start the Shadowheart romance since I actually wanted to do the sweaty mansex thing.)
But other than that, BG3 has a very nice bonding progression and is way more interactive than WotR's 'Tell me something about you!' -> 'Ok.'. And the idea that it owes its success to the ♥♥♥ scenes or to being some sot of perverted ♥♥♥♥ game is pretty pathetic, considering the dozens of hours you have to play and adventure before you even have a chance at doing anything ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the companion (Laezel is the sole exception I think).

It owes its success entirely to its "budget" part, rather then the gameplay. Every 2 metres there is ♥♥♥, entrails, gore and shock content. You start the game with having a worm forced into your eye, then you proceed to extract a brain from a body with your bare hands, one of the first npcs you meet is an effeminate vampire who tries, unimmersively, to ambush you, holding you at knifepoint on the ground in the most retardedly bizzare way for no reason. Few metres later you find a mage stuck in a portal with a ticking nuclear bomb inside him, a camp with a bard that starts a scripted awesome song for ~5 minutes. A bit further there is a barn trembling from ♥♥♥ caused by an orc and an ogre inside. OH WAIT! We leveled up. Click accept - leveling up done! Back to watching people have ♥♥♥ with each other, while swimming in bodyhorror gore.

You enter a room in a house of pleasure(brothel) in Baldurs Gate outskirts to find a wood elf female engaged in ♥♥♥♥♥♥ intercourse with a female guard. The guard recognizes you and undergoes ceremorphosis(violent transformation into an illithid) and attacks you. After the fight is finished you find out the wood elf female actually gets off on illithids and was ♥♥♥♥♥ all this time.

This is why BG3 is so successful. I m forever grateful to Larian for promoting crpgs so successfully but this is kindergarten.

[BigBadYoda]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Elizabello:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wondervice:

What I would say is BG3 NPCs are certainly annoyingly thirsty for player genitals, which is very noticeable and out of place at the start of the game.
So if a man hitting on you is "woke stuff", then yeah. (Ironically, it was the opposite for me as I had to be very careful not to start the Shadowheart romance since I actually wanted to do the sweaty mansex thing.)
But other than that, BG3 has a very nice bonding progression and is way more interactive than WotR's 'Tell me something about you!' -> 'Ok.'. And the idea that it owes its success to the ♥♥♥ scenes or to being some sot of perverted ♥♥♥♥ game is pretty pathetic, considering the dozens of hours you have to play and adventure before you even have a chance at doing anything ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the companion (Laezel is the sole exception I think).

It owes its success entirely to its "budget" part, rather then the gameplay. Every 2 metres there is ♥♥♥, entrails, gore and shock content. You start the game with having a worm forced into your eye, then you proceed to extract a brain from a body with your bare hands, one of the first npcs you meet is an effeminate vampire who tries, unimmersively, to ambush you, holding you at knifepoint on the ground in the most retardedly bizzare way for no reason. Few metres later you find a mage stuck in a portal with a ticking nuclear bomb inside him, a camp with a bard that starts a scripted awesome song for ~5 minutes. A bit further there is a barn trembling from ♥♥♥ caused by an orc and an ogre inside. OH WAIT! We leveled up. Click accept - leveling up done! Back to watching people have ♥♥♥ with each other, while swimming in bodyhorror gore.

You enter a room in a house of pleasure(brothel) in Baldurs Gate outskirts to find a wood elf female engaged in ♥♥♥♥♥♥ intercourse with a female guard. The guard recognizes you and undergoes ceremorphosis(violent transformation into an illithid) and attacks you. After the fight is finished you find out the wood elf female actually gets off on illithids and was ♥♥♥♥♥ all this time.

This is why BG3 is so successful. I m forever grateful to Larian for promoting crpgs so successfully but this is kindergarten.

Best BG3 review I read so far!

[Wondervice]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Elizabello:

It owes its success entirely to its "budget" part, rather then the gameplay. Every 2 metres there is ♥♥♥, entrails, gore and shock content. You start the game with having a worm forced into your eye, then you proceed to extract a brain from a body with your bare hands, one of the first npcs you meet is an effeminate vampire who tries, unimmersively, to ambush you, holding you at knifepoint on the ground in the most retardedly bizzare way for no reason. Few metres later you find a mage stuck in a portal with a ticking nuclear bomb inside him, a camp with a bard that starts a scripted awesome song for ~5 minutes. A bit further there is a barn trembling from ♥♥♥ caused by an orc and an ogre inside. OH WAIT! We leveled up. Click accept - leveling up done! Back to watching people have ♥♥♥ with each other, while swimming in bodyhorror gore.

You enter a room in a house of pleasure(brothel) in Baldurs Gate outskirts to find a wood elf female engaged in ♥♥♥♥♥♥ intercourse with a female guard. The guard recognizes you and undergoes ceremorphosis(violent transformation into an illithid) and attacks you. After the fight is finished you find out the wood elf female actually gets off on illithids and was ♥♥♥♥♥ all this time.

This is why BG3 is so successful. I m forever grateful to Larian for promoting crpgs so successfully but this is kindergarten.

I love how there is about 50-100 hours of gameplay between the two ♥♥♥ scenes you describe where there is none, but we are still pretending it's happening "every 2 meters".
I am so glad that we have the reserved and cultured approach of WotR, which only begins with a giant insect demon chopping off the head of a dragon and the slaughtering of pretty much an entire city. Also people you hit hard enough literally explode into chunks of meat.

[Vertigo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Elizabello:

It owes its success entirely to its "budget" part, rather then the gameplay. Every 2 metres there is ♥♥♥, entrails, gore and shock content. You start the game with having a worm forced into your eye, then you proceed to extract a brain from a body with your bare hands, one of the first npcs you meet is an effeminate vampire who tries, unimmersively, to ambush you, holding you at knifepoint on the ground in the most retardedly bizzare way for no reason. Few metres later you find a mage stuck in a portal with a ticking nuclear bomb inside him, a camp with a bard that starts a scripted awesome song for ~5 minutes. A bit further there is a barn trembling from ♥♥♥ caused by an orc and an ogre inside. OH WAIT! We leveled up. Click accept - leveling up done! Back to watching people have ♥♥♥ with each other, while swimming in bodyhorror gore.

You enter a room in a house of pleasure(brothel) in Baldurs Gate outskirts to find a wood elf female engaged in ♥♥♥♥♥♥ intercourse with a female guard. The guard recognizes you and undergoes ceremorphosis(violent transformation into an illithid) and attacks you. After the fight is finished you find out the wood elf female actually gets off on illithids and was ♥♥♥♥♥ all this time.

This is why BG3 is so successful. I m forever grateful to Larian for promoting crpgs so successfully but this is kindergarten.

I am sorry, I have to call fanboy bias here.

In WotR, we have a crusader rip out his eyes for a succubus. We have multiple pits filled with bodies. We have people being burnt at the stake in front of you. We also have a wealthy noble throwing a ♥♥♥ party as the city burns. This is only some of the things that occur in Act 1.

We can also talk about the frequent rains of blood and all the things in the demon world (like a brothel where demons are abusing a replica of you in addition to child abuse and slavery). We have a party member that wants to have ♥♥♥ with you after ritually sacrificing someone (not even mentioning all her battle cries about blood and murder), a BDSM loving spider cat who jumps sides, a "professional" who is all about killing, and a succubus that is supposed to be 100% lovable despite doing creepy things like watching people. We can also talk about Ms. "for science" and her asking a succubus about her ♥♥♥ life, telling a goat demon his genes lost to a cow, and even wants you to have ♥♥♥ as an experiment (only to draw your genitals for a book). I feel like some of the shock value in Wrath was aimed at would be edgelord 13 year olds.

I would argue BG3 does have its fair share of ♥♥♥, but it isn't everywhere like some of the detractors claim. It also shows how oblivious some WotR fans are when it comes to the same stuff being in their game. I will always marvel at the logic gymnastics I see when people criticize things in other games that Wrath is also guilty of. It is hard to take some points on here seriously at all.

[Elizabello]

Do you know the difference between reading about some atrocity and watching it in full display in front of you? And Baldurs Gate spends all its time showing nearly non stop.

And i m sorry, i dont know about you but my reaction to Deskari chopping off Terendelevs head was - What?! Why is the dragon so weak?? While reaction of most people i know to a worm crawling inside your eyes was shock, horror and omg eww. I had to turn my head away to not watch that. I managed to hook up a 2 friends to crpgs through BG3 because it kept their attention with this ♥♥♥♥. But apart from that - there is not much in the game. The gameplay is laughable. Hop from 1 plot twist, shock content, gore, ♥♥♥ scene, betrayal, unexpected song, weird bizzare character to another.

I was bored with BG3 until Rafaels song. Then i broke. That was great! The game is great! I give up! The quantity of mcdonalds-like content piled up to a point where i enjoyed it lol.

[Vertigo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Elizabello:

Do you know the difference between reading about some atrocity and watching it in full display in front of you? And Baldurs Gate spends all its time showing nearly non stop.

And i m sorry, i dont know about you but my reaction to Deskari chopping off Terendelevs head was - What?! Why is the dragon so weak?? While reaction of most people i know to a worm crawling inside your eyes was shock, horror and omg eww. I had to turn my head away to not watch that. I managed to hook up a 2 friends to crpgs through BG3 because it kept their attention with this ♥♥♥♥. But apart from that - there is not much in the game. The gameplay is laughable. Hop from 1 plot twist, shock content, gore, ♥♥♥ scene, betrayal, unexpected song, weird bizzare character to another.

I was bored with BG3 until Rafaels song. Then i broke. That was great! The game is great! I give up! The quantity of mcdonalds-like content piled up to a point where i enjoyed it lol.

My problem is not that you are criticizing BG3. There is a lot in the game that deserves rebuke. I don't challenge a number of points people make about BG3 because I mostly agree. I would 100% agree the ogre ♥♥♥ scene was unnecessary (but thankfully avoidable).

That said, I feel like Wrath also has a lot of cringeworthy stuff that gets thrown at the player. Whether it is highly animated or described via text, it is there. Does Nenio need to ask a succubus about her ♥♥♥ life (or draw your genitals)? Do you have to walk in on demons using a copy of you as a ♥♥♥ slave? I could give more examples, but there is a LOT of shock value things in Wrath I simply rolled my eyes at.

I feel like a lot of criticisms Wrath fans throw at other games (ex: bugs) apply to Wrath as well, so I do feel like people on here are throwing stones in their glass houses.

[Elizabello]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Vertigo:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Elizabello:

Do you know the difference between reading about some atrocity and watching it in full display in front of you? And Baldurs Gate spends all its time showing nearly non stop.

And i m sorry, i dont know about you but my reaction to Deskari chopping off Terendelevs head was - What?! Why is the dragon so weak?? While reaction of most people i know to a worm crawling inside your eyes was shock, horror and omg eww. I had to turn my head away to not watch that. I managed to hook up a 2 friends to crpgs through BG3 because it kept their attention with this ♥♥♥♥. But apart from that - there is not much in the game. The gameplay is laughable. Hop from 1 plot twist, shock content, gore, ♥♥♥ scene, betrayal, unexpected song, weird bizzare character to another.

I was bored with BG3 until Rafaels song. Then i broke. That was great! The game is great! I give up! The quantity of mcdonalds-like content piled up to a point where i enjoyed it lol.

My problem is not that you are criticizing BG3. There is a lot in the game that deserves rebuke. I don't challenge a number of points people make about BG3 because I mostly agree. I would 100% agree the ogre ♥♥♥ scene was unnecessary (but thankfully avoidable).

That said, I feel like Wrath also has a lot of cringeworthy stuff that gets thrown at the player. Whether it is highly animated or described via text, it is there. Does Nenio need to ask a succubus about her ♥♥♥ life (or draw your genitals)? Do you have to walk in on demons using a copy of you as a ♥♥♥ slave? I could give more examples, but there is a LOT of shock value things in Wrath I simply rolled my eyes at.

I feel like a lot of criticisms Wrath fans throw at other games (ex: bugs) apply to Wrath as well, so I do feel like people on here are throwing stones in their glass houses.

Hmm i dont know where this comes from tbh. There are quite a few cringy things in WOTR. Some i agree with, some dont.

[Janthis]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wondervice:

And the idea that it owes its success to the ♥♥♥ scenes or to being some sot of perverted ♥♥♥♥ game is pretty pathetic, considering the dozens of hours you have to play and adventure before you even have a chance at doing anything ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the companion (Laezel is the sole exception I think).

Maybe it's because 70% of the posts, articles and discussions regarding the game are about ♥♥♥ and romance aspects. 25% are story related, and maybe 5% gameplay.

[Vertigo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Johnny_B_80:

Maybe it's because 70% of the posts, articles and discussions regarding the game are about ♥♥♥ and romance aspects. 25% are story related, and maybe 5% gameplay.

I just looked on the BG3 community hub. In the first few pages I skimmed, most the posts were asking about story stuff or complaining about bugs. There is one thread about LGBTQ characters. I think your claims have some hyperbole...

That said, BG3 is a LOT more popular than Wrath. By numbers alone, there are more people posting. It is no surprise there would be more thirst posts. If Wrath had more followers, we would see more stuff like that here. Then again, these forums don't have a ton of story discussions either.

Now that I think about it, there was a post asking about Noticula and why she was so popular. I remember the responses there having some thirst too.

[BigBadYoda]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Johnny_B_80:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Wondervice:

And the idea that it owes its success to the ♥♥♥ scenes or to being some sot of perverted ♥♥♥♥ game is pretty pathetic, considering the dozens of hours you have to play and adventure before you even have a chance at doing anything ♥♥♥♥♥♥ with the companion (Laezel is the sole exception I think).

Maybe it's because 70% of the posts, articles and discussions regarding the game are about ♥♥♥ and romance aspects. 25% are story related, and maybe 5% gameplay.

True, most people treat it like a dating sim

[adamos711]

The reason the game gets so many bad reviews is because the balance (or rather lack of thereof) on higher difficulties. A lot or players (myself included) like to enjoy the game on the highest difficulty made available, because I enjoy the fact of beating the best the game can throw at me.

The problem is, the game is VERY poorly thought out for players that want to play the higher difficulty levels (and Kingmaker had this down well, but WOTR does NOT). The AC of enemies is too high, before you have access to greater invisibility, which makes enemies flat footed to your attacks, so you can target their lower AC.

What it boils down to is using one rinse and repeat technique on enemies, which is doable BUT NOT FUN TO PLAY.

To sum it up, the beginning chapters are very badly thought out.