Kaylessa vs. Forn

[reidj062]

Side with Kaylessa- you fight her during Tavern Defense. She spies on your camp.
Side with Forn- get pretty sweet +3 composite longbow at early level, plus death ward scroll. Get betrayed by Forn later.

I'm sorry, it seems like I'm getting f'ed over by elves either way?

[Yannir]

What? I've never fought Kaylessa in the Tavern Defense.

[uwfsam2000]

Same here. Never had either of these in my 3 play throughs.

[Lord Doober De La Goober MXI]

same has above, always end up helping her and I never see her again till the "spying part".

either way, helping Kaylessa is considered the best option in the long run.(morality wise)

[reidj062]

Okay, maybe I'm misremembering it. I know at least in the journal it credits Kaylessa with the attack on the tavern. Regardless, I can't see any reason to help her, other than getting a +5 bow at a later point. You are forced to make the decision about who to believe with 0 information, and Kaylessa doesn't really say anything to aid in her defense.

It's basically "I hate demons."

You: Okay, so explain yourself and defend your actions.

Kaylessa: No.

Any decision about the morality of various choices, then, is based on meta-knowledge, then, rather than roleplaying your character. Genuine roleplaying and morality both are based on the information that an individual has available at the time.

For example, if I fail to run into a burning building, believing that everyone has been evacuated, and a puppy trapped in the fire dies, I'm not responsible for the death of the puppy, because that was information that was not available to me.

Literally the only thing you are roleplaying here is whether you trust one wounded elf or another.

[St0nemender]

You see no reason to help her?

There is one guy in the tavern who tells you, she is an evil murderer. When you encounter her for the first time, she tells you, she is not. A simple (DC 15) perception check tells you, that she is actually telling the truth.

So Forn is obviously lying through his teeth, which should be enough to want to make you help her, if your MC is good.

[reidj062]

No, it tells you that she BELIEVES she is not a "friend of demons." This excludes the possibility of self-deception, not to mention that she is evil in some other way not connected to demons (see also: Daeran, Regill, Camilla).

SO basically your argument is "she didn't SEEM sus."

Imagine you're a police officer. You're told someone committed a crime, but when you interview them, they seem like a swell person so you decide not to investigate them further.

[smellibear]

GIven you are remembering things in the game that didn't happen I feel comfortable saying your reading comprehension, at least in english, might be off more than just a little. Perhaps you should re-examine those encounters and try reading them very closely. Maybe pay attention to when you do or don't pass skil checks and what they might reveal. Means reading carefully tho!

[reidj062]

Originally posted by smellibear:

GIven you are remembering things in the game that didn't happen I feel comfortable saying your reading comprehension, at least in english, might be off more than just a little. Perhaps you should re-examine those encounters and try reading them very closely. Maybe pay attention to when you do or don't pass skil checks and what they might reveal. Means reading carefully tho!

I actually speak English as my first language, so no.

[anfindel13]

Originally posted by reidj062:

No, it tells you that she BELIEVES she is not a "friend of demons." This excludes the possibility of self-deception, not to mention that she is evil in some other way not connected to demons (see also: Daeran, Regill, Camilla).

SO basically your argument is "she didn't SEEM sus."

Imagine you're a police officer. You're told someone committed a crime, but when you interview them, they seem like a swell person so you decide not to investigate them further.

But you wouldn't be investigating her further. You would be the cop that responds to her denial by shooting her dead anyway.

[doodlepigs]

Originally posted by reidj062:

Side with Kaylessa- you fight her during Tavern Defense. She spies on your camp.
Side with Forn- get pretty sweet +3 composite longbow at early level, plus death ward scroll. Get betrayed by Forn later.

I'm sorry, it seems like I'm getting f'ed over by elves either way?

LOL what ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are you sprouting dude? Kaylessa never spied on any Tavern.

[doodlepigs]

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Originally posted by reidj062:

No, it tells you that she BELIEVES she is not a "friend of demons." This excludes the possibility of self-deception, not to mention that she is evil in some other way not connected to demons (see also: Daeran, Regill, Camilla).

SO basically your argument is "she didn't SEEM sus."

Imagine you're a police officer. You're told someone committed a crime, but when you interview them, they seem like a swell person so you decide not to investigate them further.

But you wouldn't be investigating her further. You would be the cop that responds to her denial by shooting her dead anyway.

Yeah as is typical of the type of usa-ian cop he sounded like.

[doodlepigs]

Originally posted by smellibear:

GIven you are remembering things in the game that didn't happen I feel comfortable saying your reading comprehension, at least in english, might be off more than just a little. Perhaps you should re-examine those encounters and try reading them very closely. Maybe pay attention to when you do or don't pass skil checks and what they might reveal. Means reading carefully tho!

Take my award. you said what all of us have in mind

[LArc7thHeaven]

Damn we have necromancer here!!!