Blackwater

[Caluti]

So the difficulty spikes in this game are insane, i just went to blackwater augmented demon fight, i only play normal but i have no idea how to beat these guys, We miss EVERYTHING spells hits ,i flood the screen with summon to tank hits helps nothing. How do you guy play this in core difficulty or unfair? This is just insane

[Caluti]

I'm sorry just venting, have a good story but how you need to look up an google every single thing , and every now on then you get a challenge like this, basically ♥♥♥♥ you, it says they don't like lighting, but even when i don't miss those i those nothing.

[azaris]

Be level 13. Buff your team's AB as much as you can before starting the fight. Then apply:

- Ranged touch attacks (Ember)
- Mark of Justice, Smite Evil (Seelah)
- Guarded Hearth (Sosiel)
- Slumber Hex (Camellia, Ember)
- Shock weapons (Camellia, Lann, Wenduag, Arueshalae)
- Wand of Call Lightning (anyone with UMD)
- Adamantium weapons (any melee)
- Blade Barrier (Sosiel, Daeran)

If you can turn off the regeneration they will die when they go down. If not, you need someone to do a Coup de Grace before they get back up.

[Invisible]

Blackwater is an optional place. Come back when you are a couple of level up,

[Caluti]

Well i can put them to 0 because we miss 90% of the hits while they attack 5 times with 0 miss.

[.//slayer]

Originally posted by Caluti:

Well i can put them to 0 because we miss 90% of the hits while they attack 5 times with 0 miss.

You need to either buff more or level up - there's no other way to go about it.

[Deo]

Originally posted by Caluti:

So the difficulty spikes in this game are insane, i just went to blackwater augmented demon fight, i only play normal but i have no idea how to beat these guys

If you have both DLCs, you will be level 15 by the time you end both set of Midnight Isles and Gundrun. Not that hard, also this area is OPTIONAL and you can skip it.

Blackwater essentially your party composition and build test. If it sucks - well, bad luck.

Also people will say that you need electric damage to kill monsters - it's not necessary. Just bring them to 0 and do Coup de Grace with melee weapon.

All of monsters there have pretty bad Will saves, so Enchantment focused Skald with "Best Jokes" will make whole rooms of enemies laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7WPbuQDgvo

[reidj062]

Any electrical attack will work on them, but it's hard to hit them, as they have high reflex saves and ACs. Also, no one has mentioned that all enemies here have terrible will saves.

Use protection from electricity and resist electricity at the first battle and the last. Additionally, be warned that the final boss can blind multiple people in short order, so have remove blindness prepared.

[Deo]

Originally posted by reidj062:

the final boss

You can use 1 scroll of Dimensional Door (Mass) on a high Initiative character (with enough points in Use Magic Device) to teleport your whole party through his barrier on first round, and kill him.

[Yard]

At level 13 it is very frustrating. When I played the first time I was also very angry and frustrated with Blackwater. I didn't understand why I couldn't beat it and it has nothing to do with how you build or what powers you use. Your characters simply miss attacks because the enemies They have very high stats, even if you go full electrical damage it does not change that the attacks continue to fail

My advice, come back later, follow the story and don't get frustrated, you're not the first.

[dataseer21]

The problem with the difficulty levels is, assuming you don't want to reload like 50 times, there is a bottle neck with difficulty level. Less and less builds become viable as you play on higher difficulty. People try to say it doesn't but I don't believe that to be true. If it was like the last game I wonder if a lot of people's unfair builds have pets for example. Though they did make unfair easier so maybe that isn't as true anymore.

[cjuk7887]

I just finished the game and Blackwater was one of the most memorable parts. I was only playing on normal but the difficulty spike drove me crazy. I searched the spell list for what felt like an age, finally I found something that would stick: 'Chains of Light'.
This ignores spell resistance, has a reflex save but on normal difficulty at least, it has a good chance to paralyse the brutes. An old thread I know, but I'm sharing this to help out future players who are tearing out their hair trying to get through Blackwater :)

[Laluzi]

Blackwater's just tedious. I had trouble with this place on EZ mode, much less regular difficulty. If you don't come preloaded with the right spells (much less the right characters, when you're wandering around the map blind), you're stuck stabbing a dead guy on the floor for eight whole rounds waiting for him to roll a nat 1 on your Coup De Grace so he can finally die even though he has over a thousand negative hit points. And it's like this for six enemies per group for an entire dungeon. When the mooks are that much of a pain in the neck to deal with, you've done something wrong.

The story was good, and I'm almost looking forward to dragging Ulbrig there next go (...if my party can take it), but it was the most excruciating game design I've seen yet in a game that's already plenty sadistic about its encounters. It's like one of those optional minibosses dragged over the length of an entire quest, where the challenge factor gives way to exhaustion and just keeps going. If your game isn't fun to play, it doesn't matter how cleverly you built it, it automatically fails as a game.

[zaknafein196]

not so hard, a few bumps a long the way to be sure. But I needed those sweet storm lord bracers for my eldrich scion to turn all energy dmg to electricity >:D

[Evil Inside]

I started to level Nenio as a lore master and gave him the druid spell Carrion Swarm. The spells is quite effective against the high AC mobs in the area. Also if you give Nenio the belt from Woljifs quest that summons a shadow every time a level 6 or higher spell is cast, the shadow uses touch AC and can hit the mobs easily enough.

[Dre]

Originally posted by Caluti:

So the difficulty spikes in this game are insane, i just went to blackwater augmented demon fight, i only play normal but i have no idea how to beat these guys, We miss EVERYTHING spells hits ,i flood the screen with summon to tank hits helps nothing. How do you guy play this in core difficulty or unfair? This is just insane

I entered at Blackwater in core difficulty (and not following builds or recommended level) and was painful, really. I save loaded a lot, but above all the problem was the AC of the enemies, so use everything that can freeze them or inmobilize them so they can loss the bonus AC by Dexterity. Good luck