Who are your least favorite WotR characters

[Vertigo]

I really enjoy the cast of WotR, and they recently asked who people's favorite characters were. I am now asking who people's least favorite are:

I think Greybor is undoubtedly one of the blandest assassins I have ever met across any RPG. Not only is he not even the class he is based off of, he is terrible at it. He attempts to kill a demon using bad intel. He then goes after the person he thinks gave the bad intel (understandably) without learning to reconsider his sources. He is also surprisingly willing to deal with a guild of assassins that tricked him (when one would think he would be against tricksters since it harms his reputation). Even worse, Cam and Wendu have more interesting moral dilemmas than he ever does.

I also think Arue had such great potential that was wasted making her a waifu. She starts out lying to you to further her agendas. This is a great start because the plot of Drezen falling revolves around Minhago using her charms to trick someone. The game shows multiple scenarios where succubi have mislead people (Nocticula included), so it seems like there could have been so many grey scenarios where you have to ask if you trust her. Instead, her arc is so watered down and boring.

I also loved Nenio's commentary and quirks, but her development arc is incredibly flat considering the reveal. I feel like they could have hinted at it more to keep her from coming across as one dimensional.

What are your thoughts?

[Charllize]

Dearan, Aru, Wendy, Regill, Nenio :)

Worst - Greybor

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Greybor, for sure. He has basically no personality or charm, and he arrives as a trash class far too late into the game to be worthwhile. I don't hate him, but he's mediocre in a way that really stands out when the rest of the cast is so good.

Failing that, Nenio. The "magic pixie dream girl" trope doesn't do anything for me, and her personal quest makes me want to commit crimes - and not the fun ones. Good buffbot though.

[Clangeddin.86]

The queen.

[Schlumpsha]

Ember. Love the Witch class to bits, but her whole personality posed to be physically impossible for me to tolerate in my party. Let alone 'like' her. Worse still is that outside of being an Angel we cannot influence her world view. Such a missed opportunity right there. It would've done wonders to her character if only she could become more... "witchey". In a non-Good alignment kind of way I mean.

[smellibear]

Sosiel is a set of boring tropes mashed together with little to no narrative cohesion. They wanted to make an UnProblematic black man and wound up making a psuedo pacificist who likes to paint, has anger issues, and is a bro-con. And like the whole anger issues and gambling problem firmly take Sosiel out of his unproblematic casing which is actually hilarious to me. They worked so hard making him such a Good Guy and then beefed it immediately when they tried to give him some character flaws

Trever is more interesting but you don't meet him until late and also his spec, while backstory reactive, sucks

And a pox on your houses for sneering at Greybor! He's a good quiet character. If you think he has no personality then you just didn't talk to him, or see him interact with Ember and Woljif. Honestly, using the remote companion dialogue mod from toybox is something I consider essential to enjoying the game

[ShayRey]

I legit forget that Greybor exists half the damn time. Which is weird, because I like Assassins with a moral compass, but he sucks at the job apparently. He's more of a monster hunter than an assassin, considering the quest that yields him to be part of the group is to hunt down a dragon.

Otherwise, I think Regil is more akin to lawful stupid at times, which overshadows his otherwise shining moments of pragmatic villainy.

Nenio was fun, but as you said, she should have gotten better focus on the reveal/end of her questline. Which, really wouldn't be that hard to add in I feel like, just a few moments where she shows discontent with how little she remembers of her old life, hidden behind decently high perception checks.

But of the three, I think Greybor is my least, while Nenio is the one I would want more for.

[Valthejean]

Nenio is just "lul so random scientist" which gets old super quick. It also doesn't help that her questline has the worst dungeon in the game.

Camellia is probably my most hated character. Her "secret" was not at all subtle, and it was annoying that you can only get to know her AFTER that event. There's no variance to her character, like others with Aru redeeming or falling or Sosiel saving or killing his brother. She's just, awful. It also annoys me that she inserts herself into 2 of the tabletop characters, as a child of Horguss (which her quest in act 1 is literally just his quest with her tagging along,) and the mage she kills at the very start, who was supposed to be with our group.

I reluctantly put Seelah in there. She was just really unnecessary. I know she's a paizo original, but I just don't find her particularly interesting. But she's also not particularly offensive, so I give her a pass.

If I'm being honest, none of the characters really stood out to me very much in this one, I think they could use a lot of work.

[lemurs2]

Nenio
Regil
Rapier psycho girl
effeminate Cleric boy

Worst characters for me.
Daeran and Ember about the best and Seelah close.

[Terron]

Wenduag is my favorite so far but I really want to keep Regil on my team for my next playthrough. He seems very cool. I like Ember as well.

Sosiel and seelah are pretty boring but...tolerable

Nenio is easily my least liked. She just annoyed the hell outa me.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Originally posted by Clangeddin.86:

The queen.

My train of thought reading this was:

"Nu-uh, this post was asking about companions"
"Oh wait it's asking about characters - not just companions"
"Oh wait, Galfrey can be a companion... I guess."
"lol I just realised I have never done a playthrough where I recruited her, because screw that"

I like Galfrey. She serves a useful role in the story, and I like her flaws. I appreciate her as a character, and enjoy the feeling of hating her. Nobody wrongs the protagonist quite as badly as Galfrey does, which makes her conflict with the player uniquely personal.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Originally posted by smellibear:

And a pox on your houses for sneering at Greybor! He's a good quiet character. If you think he has no personality then you just didn't talk to him, or see him interact with Ember and Woljif. Honestly, using the remote companion dialogue mod from toybox is something I consider essential to enjoying the game

He tried to 1v6 the party and pulled the "heh nothin personelle kid" line. That was so unabashedly and unbelievably stupid that any respect I could've ever had for the character washed away.

[reidj062]

Wendaug- the starscream/Destro energy is fun for a while, but gets annoying fast.
Lann- too much self pity.
Nenio- too many anime "super smart" character cliches.
Ember- not really her fault, but I don't like the child warrior concept. Like the dialogue to recruit her- who but an evil person would do this? Also maybe the pacifist is a particularly bad choice for a child soldier? A pacifist, mind you, who is completely capable of burning people alive from the first time you meet her.

[Dryden]

I don’t exactly dislike any of the characters, as most can easily be ignored or have very little presence. The Hand did however get annoying during act 4, and then he went and got captured. Which would have been fine… if curb-stomping Baphomet wasn’t one of the easiest things to do.

I’m aware of the ludo-narrative dissonance. Unfortunately my understanding and awareness doesn’t help me much.

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by smellibear:

Sosiel is a set of boring tropes mashed together with little to no narrative cohesion. They wanted to make an UnProblematic black man and wound up making a psuedo pacificist who likes to paint, has anger issues, and is a bro-con. And like the whole anger issues and gambling problem firmly take Sosiel out of his unproblematic casing which is actually hilarious to me. They worked so hard making him such a Good Guy and then beefed it immediately when they tried to give him some character flaws

Trever is more interesting but you don't meet him until late and also his spec, while backstory reactive, sucks

And a pox on your houses for sneering at Greybor! He's a good quiet character. If you think he has no personality then you just didn't talk to him, or see him interact with Ember and Woljif. Honestly, using the remote companion dialogue mod from toybox is something I consider essential to enjoying the game

Agreed about Sosiel. I wish they had made up their mind which direction they were going with him.

I feel like the game never shows us why Greybor is supposed to be a good assassin. If you attempt the tower early, the party can be clever and use a fallen pillar to take out some of the forces. He however runs in with an invisibility potion, stabs, and leaves. It's the same if you wait until the tavern defense.

It also doesn't help that he obviously would not win most his fights if not for the knight commander. The dragon? Stood no chance. The assassin's house? Wouldn't have passed half the skill checks. Vs the other assassins? Mythic ranks are the only reason he is left standing. He barely survived his failed assassination attempt at Drezen (again, the KC was the distraction).

My angel run had him go back to his family (so I knew about them). My demon run had him become part of the guild. Still, nothing really stood out about him.

Wendu really made me think when she killed two of my guards in town. My KC really had to meditate if Camellia's "hobby" was worth me dropping her on the spot. When I see Greybor, there is nothing. I get he is supposed to be a professional, but i just cannot see what makes me feel he is dangerous or exceptionally good at what he does. I blame that on his writers. I like the concept but hate the execution.

[lemurs2]

Sosiel: today I am wise and understanding,
Tomorrow: dumb, vapid, and no understanding
Next day: I am as effeminate as possible today for no apparent reason.