bro... what is the tavern defense.

[Dop]

like... i just spent 2 hours in a single combat. at level 3.5. somewhere around 45~ rounds of combat, two deaths doors, 28 minor potions, 8 medium potions, upwards of 50 enemies with 6 guys, every spell slot spent, and like more missed attacks than xcom. i had three natural ones in a row at a point. the only reason i passed is because around round 20 it glitched and i left combat for a second, it picked up my three downed characters and got through the rest of the grueling fight.

i was expecting good rewards... but no. all the bodies from the fight are auto despawned after battle, i was given HALF A LEVEL and im sitting at 3 and maybe 15/16ths, 1200 gold and a "heavy flail of weakness" (worth 1850) that nobody can use.

im not playing on the super high difficulties, im playing on daring as its my first time with the pathfinder format and this game as a total. but what was this combat man...

[Terra]

Yeah, that fight in particular is really not designed for turn-based. There's a few fights like that where you can see the game system just grinding on a stuck gear, and swapping back to RTWP is the better option.

[Gracey Face]

Some of the game's encounters are a bit janky and this is one of the highest profile ones but unfortunately it's not the only one. If you know what is coming beforehand it's actually a pretty easy fight, you can stick some DPS on top of the enemy spawnpoints and delete them as soon as they come in, or stick some grease and webs on them and then plink at them from range, but if you're new it's a chore.

The reality is that if the fights bother you don't feel bad about turning the difficulty down. The game was barely balance checked (the amount of encounters that start by teleporting your character right next to the big bad for example, good if you're a fighter, bad if you're squishy :D).

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

If you know what is coming beforehand it's actually a pretty easy fight, you can stick some DPS on top of the enemy spawnpoints and delete them as soon as they come in, or stick some grease and webs on them and then plink at them from range, but if you're new it's a chore.

Honestly the moment Irabeth told me there would be defence, I realized I would need Grease/Web/Pit spells and stocked up on scrolls for that the first time.

[Raikon]

Back in the day you could buy death cloud. That was instant death for nearly all the cultists. Even from a scroll.

[Duder]

Takes about 10 minutes in RtWp, I did it on hard but I have tons of experience with real time.
The whole game should be played in real time. The way it and Kingmaker were designed to be played.

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Terra:

Yeah, that fight in particular is really not designed for turn-based. There's a few fights like that where you can see the game system just grinding on a stuck gear, and swapping back to RTWP is the better option.

I kinda disagree i found it easyer on turn base then RTWP
but it dos take much longer in turn base, in RTWP its like 10 mins or so.

[Duder]

Originally posted by THAC0:

Originally posted by Terra:

Yeah, that fight in particular is really not designed for turn-based. There's a few fights like that where you can see the game system just grinding on a stuck gear, and swapping back to RTWP is the better option.

I kinda disagree i found it easyer on turn base then RTWP
but it dos take much longer in turn base, in RTWP its like 10 mins or so.

Because turn based IS easier, you're right

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Raikon:

Back in the day you could buy death cloud. That was instant death for nearly all the cultists. Even from a scroll.

back in AD&D day where ♥♥♥♥ could kill your wizards instently at the early levels and what knock?
where sometimes the bare min damage on baddies was enough to drop the D4 half con benefits wizard?
where Kobolds fired flaming arrows and kobold commanders fired exploding arrows / basicly mini fireballs at level 1-3 characters which basicly = death to the arcane spellcaster?

back where clerics where the best offensive caster in the early levels coz of there 'you dont even get a saving throw' vs this spell? where the arcane casters where the more buff / support role and the clerics / druids where the more offensive casters?
or the 3.0-3.5 days or what?

[Eedjit]

This is the only fight I do in RTWP, only because its a slog, use grease spells at the entrances to CC enemies, and focus on the guys throwing molotovs, that should progress the fight faster, think having killed all of the alchemists moves it to the next stage in every occasion in that fight, totally doable but level 3 is a bit low for the fight in general, I always grind enough XP to be atleast level 4 or even 5 before doing it.

[Moldon]

Grease is the strongest spell in the early game, and for this event in particular.

I like this fight but it can a bit silly, especially on turn-based where Irabeth and all the best troops are standing stupidly doing nothing.

[Raikon]

Uh back in the day for this game, like maybe a year ago. The cleric sold arcane scrolls. He's now divine scrolls.

[iliekP3aches]

It was absolutely awful in turn based and if the game had hinted better at simply killing the alchemists then it would have been much better. Most of the game is absolutely annoying to play in real time, but the tavern defense weirdly is the opposite. A lot of this game feels untested with clashing mechanics.

[AlexMBrennan]

The tavern fight is your punishment for taking too long to clear the city. Next time you can be faster and skip it for a slightly better reward.

The cleric sold arcane scrolls. He's now divine scrolls.

That is why you should have read the walk through and bought all the grease scrolls from Dyra when you had the chance.

[Raikon]

I just did the tavern defense fight with 4 party members. Myself a possed shaman, camelia a Sylvan trickster, seelah a paladin, and lan a wandering marksman. I didn't even bother buffing or casting anything. Still won on core.

[Raikon]

I feel like this fight has been significantly nerfed recently. It takes a long time for you to lose defense points, and there are a lot of soldiers.