How much is this based on Pathfinder board game?

[cool skill]

I mainly know the rules of D&D and typical RPG video games. Don't really know anything about Pathfinder. So I was wondering how much of this is based on Pathfinder. Or if it has its own system as a video game.

[fox5s]

Origineel geplaatst door cool skill:

Thanks. This was what I was trying to figure out. I think users didn't like 4e. So it seemed strange that they didn't just play 3.5. But I guess it makes sense if it needed streamlining. I also have seen some Pathfinder 2e. I was never really interested in Pathfinder 1e. But 2e actually looks like something new and better.

You're welcome! My understanding of 4e was that it didn't feel like D&D. It felt like an MMO complete with clickies that refresh per battle or per day or whatever. It was okay for new players but veterans HATED the feel. What little I've seen of Pathfinder 2e i have liked and looks good but I have no details and my gaming groups are married to PF1e and D&D5e.

[anfindel13]

4E was certainly a horror show - and not the good kind !

[StickyFingaz]

Origineel geplaatst door Commissar:

I'll be direct: I find Pathfinder to be an overly-complicated bag of sheer madness. It's DnD but "improved" by an army of bureaucrats locked in a room for two months. It was very difficult for me at the beginning, and I'm glad my keyboard is sturdy.

Personnaly, i'm glad we have some hardcore dudes out there who still write hardcore rules such as Pathfinder 1e or 2e. DnD 5e is a real joke, dumbed down to the lowest possible level. It can't get any simplier than this. It's a good intro to the P&P world but it gets boooring as F real quick.

[Immortal Reaver]

Origineel geplaatst door cool skill:

OK thanks. Yes I played D&D 2e, 3.5e, 4e, 5e. So it's based on the older system? I guess they made an improved version or something? I'm a bit confused why not just make it a D&D game. But it seems like it should be fine if it's similar enough.

The game is based on Wrath of The Righteous adventure (=module) path written for PF 1E. With quite few changes to details of story made by Owlcat devs.

There is 2nd Edition of Pathfinder, it is how to say it, DnD 5E hybrid with little bit of 4E.

[Chronocide]

Origineel geplaatst door cool skill:

I mainly know the rules of D&D and typical RPG video games. Don't really know anything about Pathfinder. So I was wondering how much of this is based on Pathfinder. Or if it has its own system as a video game.

Pathfinder 1e is often refered to as D&D 3.75

Basically, all the creative folks at D&D left for pathfinder when it emerged and that bland, tasteless D&D 4e was released.

Pathfinder was basically a compatible revamp of 3.5 d&d, which they got permission to use with their alternative setting (and in 1e, I hear they were paying D&D for that permission).

Wrath of the righteous is one of the later adventure paths for 1e pathfinder

https://paizo.com/wrathOfTheRighteous

PS: RPGs aren't board games. You can play with miniatures and boards, but that's optional components. Board games is stuff like chess or risk.

[is1human]

Is there a Pathfinder PnP print edition rule book that would give me the basics of classes and how some of the systems work in Wrath of the Righteous? Any help would be welcome.

I wasn't sure how faithful the CRPG was to the PnP rules. I started looking at the Paizo website and got confused on 1e vs 2e and then Player Core, Player Core 2, Advanced Player Core, Advanced Players Guide, Core Rulebook, etc. That's a lot of books so I wasn't even sure where to start.

[hilburnashua]

Origineel geplaatst door TamTroll:

it's not identical to pathfinder 1e, i suspect they carried over some ideas from 2e. fewer skills, flanking is no longer "on opposite sides of an enemy" and is now just "attacking the same enemy" etc. But it's pretty close.

The fewer skills come from Unchained rules. Kingmaker came out before 2nd edition and had the same rules for flanking so I think it was what they decided to do when Kingmaker was RTWP only since getting proper positioning for flanking would be a nightmare in RTWP. Same for most of the other physical interaction rules like when AOOs get triggered from moving.

[hilburnashua]

Origineel geplaatst door is1human:

Is there a Pathfinder PnP print edition rule book that would give me the basics of classes and how some of the systems work in Wrath of the Righteous? Any help would be welcome.

I wasn't sure how faithful the CRPG was to the PnP rules. I started looking at the Paizo website and got confused on 1e vs 2e and then Player Core, Player Core 2, Advanced Player Core, Advanced Players Guide, Core Rulebook, etc. That's a lot of books so I wasn't even sure where to start.

It isn't worth it to get the printed versions unless you want to play tabletop. However this link is Paizo's site where they have all the core rulebooks archived. I use it all the time as a player and GM.

http://legacy.aonprd.com/unchained/classes/index.html

Kingmaker and WotR are based on Pathfinder 1st edition using a lot of the rules from Unchained (monk, barbarian, rogue classes as well as the modified skill system).

[reidj062]

It's very much based on the board game, but the numbers are shot full of steroids. Mythic also looks a bit different in the tabletop game. You don't have the option to become a completely different creature.

[is1human]

hilburnashua- thanks, very helpful. I might get the printed one anyway as my brother DM's Pathfinder and has been trying to get me to join for years. I never connected it to these CRPGs before!

[fox5s]

The Pathfinder Core Rulebook (1e) has most of the mechanics. But, the ranges are pretty much all reduced. However, most of the the classes, archtypes, and a lot of spells are pretty spread out over various books. And WotR leaves out a metric ton of spells.

I wouldn't buy the books either unless you want to play IRL. Personally, I'd use the d20PFSRD. It has pretty much everything correct.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/

I use it as a major resource for almost everything. There are still differences between WotR and the PFSRD but most of those are just limitations from translating the ruleset to computer. And many times you can figure out the intent behind what they did in WotR from the PFSRD.

Only thing it would be missing is the Mythic things that WotR is using since those are completely custom. EDIT: and the custom Owlcat class archtypes.

[hilburnashua]

Once nice thing about D20 website is it is searchable where Paizo's isn't. Same goes for Archives of Nethys but that also has the 2nd edition rules and it's easy when doing a search to pull up the 2nd ed rules on accident.

[Drake]

Archives of nethys is (at least as of now), the official rule archives. It's maintained by the community but they have a special deal with paizo to be able to pretty much copy paste the entire rulebooks (they can even use some copyrighted illustrations for races and classes).