Spears and mounted

[Moo]

I remember reading text somewhere in game that using a spear while mounted gets extra bonuses. I can't seem to find where I read this. Does anyone know what exactly if any bonuses spears get in mounted combat?

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by jeem1972:

I remember reading text somewhere in game that using a spear while mounted gets extra bonuses. I can't seem to find where I read this. Does anyone know what exactly if any bonuses spears get in mounted combat?

you mean aside from the several long spears with listed bonuses while mounted?

For example: https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Devastating+Blow+from+Above

Yeah, I can't find anything like you describe.

In the pen & paper game, the "lance" was it's own weapon type that was superior for mounted characters, but as far as I know, that weapon doesn't exist as it's own type in this game.

[Schlumpsha]

Longspears, not spears. Some longspears get extra damage while mounted. Such as Fable Hero's Lance, Devastating Blow from Above, or Feral Raider.

[Raikon]

I'm pretty sure when the game was first released, it reffered to the calvier class as having extra bonus with lances. However there wasn't actually any lances, instead it worked with longspears.

It has since been edited out the calvier description. Now long spears have no inherent bonus to charging. Some spears do give some extra (tiny) damage with charging.

It was gracey who said they got damage bonuses with long spears. When I asked for the patch, I just got silence. It's not a thing. I even think there's a glaive that does 6d6 on a charge.

[mk11]

Originally posted by Raikon:

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It has since been edited out the calvier description. Now long spears have no inherent bonus to charging. Some spears do give some extra (tiny) damage with charging....

The Cavalier, not Gendarme, level 20 ability states it gets bonus charge damage for shortspears, spears, and longspears.

[Raikon]

I did mean the lances part of the description specifically.

[Raikon]

I'll test normal chavilier at some point to see if it still gets bonus damage.

[Moo]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Longspears, not spears. Some longspears get extra damage while mounted. Such as Fable Hero's Lance, Devastating Blow from Above, or Feral Raider.

I don't mean individual weapons with special bonuses, but spears/longspears as a weapon class. I think I remember a note in a patch update that said longspears do an additional charge multiplier when mounted.

[Moo]

I did some limited testing and it does appear longspears do get an additional damage multiplier when you use charge when mounted. I did a mounted charge attack with a longspear and got 3x damage multiplier along with spirited charge. I only got a 2x multiplier with a different weapon.

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by jeem1972:

I did some limited testing and it does appear longspears do get an additional damage multiplier when you use charge when mounted. I did a mounted charge attack with a longspear and got 3x damage multiplier along with spirited charge. I only got a 2x multiplier with a different weapon.

Perhaps OP is thinking of the cavalier's charge ability:

"At 3rd level, a cavalier learns to make more accurate charge attacks while mounted. The cavalier receives a +4 bonus on melee attack rolls on a charge while mounted (instead of the normal +2). In addition, the cavalier does not suffer any penalty to his AC after making a charge attack while mounted."

But that rule isn't specific to longspears, that's a class thing.

The disciple of the Pike has a few class abilities specific to the spears, but again, class specific, not longspear specific.

[Schlumpsha]

Originally posted by jeem1972:

I don't mean individual weapons with special bonuses, but spears/longspears as a weapon class. I think I remember a note in a patch update that said longspears do an additional charge multiplier when mounted.

You are right. Skimmed through the official patch notes and found it inside the 2.1.0u Part II post:

- All characters, while mounted, now deal double damage on the first attack when charging with spears. This damage triples with Spirited Charge and quadruples with cavalier's Supreme Charge feat;

- Gendarme's Transfixing Charge now only grants bonuses when the character is mounted, stacks with Spirited Charge, and receives extra damage with spears up to the total of x5 damage;

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by jeem1972:

I remember reading text somewhere in game that using a spear while mounted gets extra bonuses. I can't seem to find where I read this. Does anyone know what exactly if any bonuses spears get in mounted combat?

As Chrono mentions in the tabletop Lances are a mount optimised weapon that get a ton of innate bonuses for being used while mounted or charging. Owlcat forgot to include lances in the game while including the cavalier, which is a class basically designed for using them, so they rolled most of the lance bonuses (such as the 2x damage multiplier if used while charging on a mount) into the longspear.