Turn Wenduag Undead Permanently *Spoilers*

[MyGoodMate_]

If you get Wenduag's quest in Act 5 to deal with Savamelekh again, you can use the level 10 spell "Doom of Servitude" just before she dies, she will then be permanently revived as an Undead Companion and also gets all the benefits of the Lich Passive incl. "The Bound of Possibility", but also loses her CON. The big disadvantage is that you can't control her in fights after that, she acts as an ally, buffs should therefore be applied before fights. She can be interacted with normally in Drezen. As a true undead, she cannot be revived conventionally or by resting inside or outside of Drezen, in fact according to my tests so far she cannot be revived at all - if she dies again she is done for. However, this can be prevented with the Deny Death spell. I assume this is a bug and am surprised it hasn't been researched yet. It seems appropriate treatment for Liches to enslave her soul to you forever, after all the betrayal.

[Gracey Face]

She follows you from map to map? Everything I repurposed dissapeared on map transitions. Is this unique to her or does it apply to every companion who dies? Or is it unique to her because she betrays you and you kill her?

Also does she keep the levels and builds you gave her or does she have her own "NPC build"?

[MyGoodMate_]

She does follow. I only tested it for her so far, since you get to kill her and shortly before you do you apply the spell. Since she will interact on a Dialogue afterwards and isn‘t truly dead there must be some weird questinteraction. She does keep levels, traits, etc. as you Leveld her up.

Also since I did not make a safe file I did not test for the respective lower versions of the spell.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by MyGoodMate_:

She does follow. I only tested it for her so far, since you get to kill her and shortly before you do you apply the spell. Since she will interact on a Dialogue afterwards and isn‘t truly dead there must be some weird questinteraction. She does keep levels, traits, etc. as you Leveld her up.

Also since I did not make a safe file I did not test for the respective lower versions of the spell.

Wow that is cool - I wonder if this works on late game Lann too if you go Wendy early on?

[Crusader993]

Originally posted by MyGoodMate_:

I assume this is a bug and am surprised it hasn't been researched yet.

No, this is not a bug.

Doom to Servitude can be used on Wendu in this particular fight because she is considered an enemy creature here. So the spell works exactly as it's supposed to, because the spell description says: "If the target dies during the effect, it is revived after death as an undead creature under your command."

Since the spell effects are still active before she dies, she dies DURING the spell effect, resulting in her respawning as an undead under your command. :)

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

Originally posted by MyGoodMate_:

I assume this is a bug and am surprised it hasn't been researched yet.

No, this is not a bug.

Doom to Servitude can be used on Wendu in this particular fight because she is considered an enemy creature here. So the spell works exactly as it's supposed to, because the spell description says: "If the target dies during the effect, it is revived after death as an undead creature under your command."

Since the spell effects are still active before she dies, she dies DURING the spell effect, resulting in her respawning as an undead under your command. :)

The bug is that she sticks with you permanently from there. Normally when you repurpose things they only last for that one map and then vanish. Unless owlcat has changed that since I last played.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by MyGoodMate_:

She does follow. I only tested it for her so far, since you get to kill her and shortly before you do you apply the spell. Since she will interact on a Dialogue afterwards and isn‘t truly dead there must be some weird questinteraction. She does keep levels, traits, etc. as you Leveld her up.

Also since I did not make a safe file I did not test for the respective lower versions of the spell.

I just tried it in the first encounter you have with salamalaikum and at least in that fight she just had blanket immunity to all repurpose spells (I assume because she isn't meant to permanently die). After the fight did you try to fight her again because she betrayed you or did you keep her in your party?

I ask as I'd like to replicate this bug as I think it is quite flavorful for the Lich.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

Originally posted by MyGoodMate_:

I assume this is a bug and am surprised it hasn't been researched yet.

No, this is not a bug.

Doom to Servitude can be used on Wendu in this particular fight because she is considered an enemy creature here. So the spell works exactly as it's supposed to, because the spell description says: "If the target dies during the effect, it is revived after death as an undead creature under your command."

Since the spell effects are still active before she dies, she dies DURING the spell effect, resulting in her respawning as an undead under your command. :)

Er, how many other creatures can you move between areas?

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

Originally posted by Crusader993:

No, this is not a bug.

Doom to Servitude can be used on Wendu in this particular fight because she is considered an enemy creature here. So the spell works exactly as it's supposed to, because the spell description says: "If the target dies during the effect, it is revived after death as an undead creature under your command."

Since the spell effects are still active before she dies, she dies DURING the spell effect, resulting in her respawning as an undead under your command. :)

The bug is that she sticks with you permanently from there. Normally when you repurpose things they only last for that one map and then vanish. Unless owlcat has changed that since I last played.

They don't vanish, FYI - if you revist that map, they will spawn in again.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Babbles:

They don't vanish, FYI - if you revist that map, they will spawn in again.

I never knew, thanks for the info. Though other than grey garrison I can't think of any maps you go to more than once that aren't "city hubs" or whatever you'd call them. If you go to an area and repurpose things and then go to the "same" area later on but which is technically a different map (I can't think of any instances of this off of the top of my head, but I assume there's some) do you know if they spawn in the new map?

[Crusader993]

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

The bug is that she sticks with you permanently from there. Normally when you repurpose things they only last for that one map and then vanish.

Normally... but Wendu is anything but normal. She has legend powers. And she has the powers of Savamelekh. It would only be logical if the developers preferred role playing here. Wendu has always wanted to fight... all her life. After the betrayal, this wish is now "fulfilled" by the commander, who lets her fight at his side for all eternity. From a lich's point of view, it's logical anyway. In my opinion, this fits perfectly into Wendu's backstory.

It's not a bug, it's a gimmick. :)

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

It's not a bug, it's a gimmick. :)

You say that as a joke but I am fairly sure Owlcat genuinely used this line to explain how they built Staunton for a build which uses feats they forgot to put in the game. lmao.

[Gracey Face]

Just for the sake of testing I decided to cast repurpose on her while she was still a companion and then murder her, and she came back as a fully controllable undead companion. I am curious if this works with other companions, and if it has any effect on their storyline. I wonder is Seelah still leaves you if she is undead...

Actually wait a minute, even though she takes up a party slot she's not actually controllable which reduces the utility of this. Still weird though. Going to test if it works on other companions now.

[Crusader993]

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

Actually wait a minute, even though she takes up a party slot she's not actually controllable which reduces the utility of this.

I would be interested to know if Wendu also occupies a slot in the thread creator's scenario described above. (From a purely logical point of view, that should actually be the case.)

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

Actually wait a minute, even though she takes up a party slot she's not actually controllable which reduces the utility of this.

I would be interested to know if Wendu also occupies a slot in the thread creator's scenario described above. (From a purely logical point of view, that should actually be the case.)

I tested it with the other companions and it works the same with them, you repurpose them and then kill them they get revived, take up a party slot, but are no longer controllable.

There is a difference however, I am not able to talk to them in the hub area (though I am currently in chapter 4 so my hub area isn't Drezen) while the OP could talk to Wend in the hub area.

It's a shame, I was hoping this might be a way to get actual undead companions that dont have 15 wasted levels without needing to mod them in.

[MyGoodMate_]

You can ofc replicate the outcome with lower levels of the spell, this is however different. You cant use any spell or items at all to my knowledge. In my case she behaves normal aside from In-Combat. Ofc you can kill them and repurpose them, but they a) won't last in that state or b)are not usuable at all and just follow you like an animal companion.
Yes she occupies a slot.
I have been visiting the bladesmiths workshop afterwards with her, no problems.