Core of the riddle help (DO NOT GIVE ME THE SOLUTION!)

[TamTroll]

*-*-*DO NOT GIVE ME THE SOLUTION!-*-*-*

So i recently found the tiles for the "Core of the Riddle" puzzle, but i'm having trouble figuring out what exactly the puzzle IS. i'm basically trying to play a game, without knowing what the game is or what the rules are.

So, WITHOUT explaining the solution to the puzzle, what am i looking for? What is the question that i am trying to answer here?

To be clear, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTION TO THE PUZZLE!

i am looking for what i need to do to FIND the solution.

Can anyone help?

[forkofspite]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

without knowing what the game is or what the rules are.

That is the puzzle - trying to figure out the rules.

If you can somehow get the solution to Conundrum Unsolved, you can look at it and try to work out why that's the solution (i.e. figure out the rules). Unfortunately, it's more difficult to brute-force Conundrum Unsolved than it used to be.

[TamTroll]

Originally posted by forkofspite:

Originally posted by TamTroll:

without knowing what the game is or what the rules are.

That is the puzzle - trying to figure out the rules.

If you can somehow get the solution to Conundrum Unsolved, you can look at it and try to work out why that's the solution (i.e. figure out the rules). Unfortunately, it's more difficult to brute-force Conundrum Unsolved than it used to be.

I... what? That's not a game, that's brute-forcing a problem until you randomly find the solution. You don't hide without telling someone you're playing hide and seek. You certainly don't hide and expect someone to find you when they don't even know what hide and seek IS! That's just not how it works!

Conundrum unsolved didn't even HAVE a challenge, i just put the slabs in the floor and BAM, problem done. I have no idea what happened other then i put a bunch of slabs in the floor and a door opened up.

[forkofspite]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

Conundrum unsolved didn't even HAVE a challenge, i just put the slabs in the floor and BAM, problem done. I have no idea what happened other then i put a bunch of slabs in the floor and a door opened up.

Did the ghost appear and tell you to go to Heart of Mystery? If the door opened up, sounds like it did. Regardless, it is what it is - there are no clues to the rules. Mildly similar to code breaking - it's up to the solver to figure out the rules for the code.

If you want a clue to one of the rules ...
1) dominos

I can't think of a reasonable clue for the other rule, though.

If you want the rules:
1) adjacent symbols on different two-symbol slabs must match
2) symbol must match outside symbols in the row and column

[canuck250]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

*-*-*DO NOT GIVE ME THE SOLUTION!-*-*-*
Can anyone help?

you can't help without giving the solution. That is how a lot of puzzles work. Once you have the key to a puzzle, all there is left is plugging it in.

[TamTroll]

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by TamTroll:

*-*-*DO NOT GIVE ME THE SOLUTION!-*-*-*
Can anyone help?

you can't help without giving the solution. That is how a lot of puzzles work. Once you have the key to a puzzle, all there is left is plugging it in.

"Look at the symbols on the outside of the puzzle. Create a straight line from those and make sure all symbols inside that line match the symbols from the line's origin point. a line with a T on the outside must have T's on the inside. A line with a T and a Q on the outside must have only T's and Q's on the inside. No symbol is allowed to touch a different symbol unless they are on the same tile"

Bam, explanation of rules without providing the solution, right there. Just give out something like that and we're good. Not sure why you guys are dancing around that.

[Soul]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

Originally posted by canuck250:

you can't help without giving the solution. That is how a lot of puzzles work. Once you have the key to a puzzle, all there is left is plugging it in.

"Look at the symbols on the outside of the puzzle. Create a straight line from those and make sure all symbols inside that line match the symbols from the line's origin point. a line with a T on the outside must have T's on the inside. A line with a T and a Q on the outside must have only T's and Q's on the inside. No symbol is allowed to touch a different symbol unless they are on the same tile"

Bam, explanation of rules without providing the solution, right there. Just give out something like that and we're good. Not sure why you guys are dancing around that.

well you got lucky with the first one then.... if you loot containers in certain order in first one ive heard they are just in the right order to place down without trying to solve it.... plus that quest chain gets more complicated with puzzles...

[canuck250]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

Originally posted by canuck250:

you can't help without giving the solution. That is how a lot of puzzles work. Once you have the key to a puzzle, all there is left is plugging it in.

"Look at the symbols on the outside of the puzzle. Create a straight line from those and make sure all symbols inside that line match the symbols from the line's origin point. a line with a T on the outside must have T's on the inside. A line with a T and a Q on the outside must have only T's and Q's on the inside. No symbol is allowed to touch a different symbol unless they are on the same tile"

Bam, explanation of rules without providing the solution, right there. Just give out something like that and we're good. Not sure why you guys are dancing around that.

That is the solution... As I said, that is how key puzzles work, the puzzle is figuring out the key. All I am saying, is that you are 'spoiled' on the puzzle when you get told that, so if you wanted help you had to get spoiled.

To me, you might as well look up a picture online if you get told the answer like that. Which is what most ppl do after the first time they do it.

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

Did you play puzzles before? Because, the basis of a puzzle is for you to find how it works...
And in video games, I can clearly recall when I played Myst when I was 12yo, in English because the French version wasn't released, and there was no explanations, you had to find out all by yourself with the current environment. And that's the beauty of a puzzle.

If you want a hint, look at all interactive elements, you'll find out that some pieces fit in just one space and the game tells you where it fits. You don't have to guess. Then, it's your job to sort things out.

[Cutlass Jack]

The absence of an answer is an answer too.

[TamTroll]

Originally posted by canuck250:

That is the solution...

No it's not. A solution would be "Place this block here, this block here, that block over there, look at this picture and place all the blocks in the same place".

What i described was just explaining what the end goal is without actually giving it away.


You're acting like "take two and add two" is the "Solution" to 2+2. But that's not it at all. the solution is 4, something completely different. "Add two to two" is just the steps you take to FIND the solution.

[canuck250]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

Originally posted by canuck250:

That is the solution...

No it's not. A solution would be "Place this block here, this block here, that block over there, look at this picture and place all the blocks in the same place".

What i described was just explaining what the end goal is without actually giving it away.


You're acting like "take two and add two" is the "Solution" to 2+2. But that's not it at all. the solution is 4, something completely different. "Add two to two" is just the steps you take to FIND the solution.

so·lu·tion
noun
1.
a means of solving a problem or dealing with a difficult situation.
"there are no easy solutions to financial and marital problems"

The key to the puzzle is the solution. The means to figure out where the blocks go is the solution, the final resting spots is the answer.

At the end of the day, you are free to do what you want, after I figured out the first one I just use pictures online as I do not think these are good or fun puzzles. Well figuring it out the first time was neat. However, all I am saying is that to ask for how to do it but not to spoil it is an oxymoron here. Which is not a big deal, single player game, but ya, you are spoiled once you know how.

Dominoes is a good of a hint you can get, basically gives it away but still some figuring out to do.

[canuck250]

Originally posted by TamTroll:

You're acting like "take two and add two" is the "Solution" to 2+2. But that's not it at all. the solution is 4, something completely different. "Add two to two" is just the steps you take to FIND the solution.

For clarity as I think you have solution confused with answer or result.

solution

Mathematics A value or values which, when substituted for a variable in an equation, make the equation true. For example, the solutions to the equation x2 = 4 are 2 and -2.

[UltrawideGameGuy]

Honestly it's not a puzzle. It's like you said: a brute force random chance thing since it doesn't really give you any rules. The simplest hint to this simple non-puzzle is it is a very simple pattern with the symbols.

It's so simple and doesn't take much logic that, like others have said, figuring out the rules IS that puzzle. Once you put them in the right order it's over, and it's not satisfying at all.

Every streamer I've seen go through it says it makes little sense before, and after they "solve" it by trying random pattern ideas, they say, "That's it? Oh..."

In other words, not a good way to do a puzzle. Just look up the answer or an explanation and save yourself ten minutes of disappointment, because it's more random brute force than anything, and the fairly arbitrary"rules" only make sense after you solve it.

[AlexMBrennan]

so·lu·tion
noun
1.

The number in this dictionary definition tells you that this word can have multiple different meanings which would lead the intelligent reader to KEEP READING and then pick the most appropriate one.

[Soul]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

so·lu·tion
noun
1.

The number in this dictionary definition tells you that this word can have multiple different meanings which would lead the intelligent reader to KEEP READING and then pick the most appropriate one.

found it!...
solution-
2. a liquid mixture in which the minor component (the solute) is uniformly distributed within the major component (the solvent).