Can Lich Sorcerer 10 Dragon Disciple 10 still get 10th lv spells?

[Selvokaz]

Or is there some kind of requirement where you have to be lv 30 caster level wise in order to unlock them?

[Babbles]

Your requirement is being caster level 28 - So as you don't get spell levels 2/5/9 with DD, you will end up CL27 in Sorcerer :(

[Selvokaz]

drats, okay thanks.

[fox5s]

Doesn't Lich give you a bonus 2 CL via Dark Rites? or is that not enough?

[Drake]

Originally posted by fox5s:

Doesn't Lich give you a bonus 2 CL via Dark Rites? or is that not enough?

Bonus to stat don't count for requirements. You need a real LV 28 CL.

[fox5s]

Originally posted by Drake:

Bonus to stat don't count for requirements. You need a real LV 28 CL.

Makes Sense.

For the OP, dunno what your goal with Dragon Disciple is but most people that use it take it up to level 4. That's the point where what you get, more or less, is worth the single lost CL. But that's your decision to make based on your build's goals.

[Drake]

Originally posted by fox5s:

Originally posted by Drake:

Bonus to stat don't count for requirements. You need a real LV 28 CL.

Makes Sense.

For the OP, dunno what your goal with Dragon Disciple is but most people that use it take it up to level 4. That's the point where what you get, more or less, is worth the single lost CL. But that's your decision to make based on your build's goals.

The usual build for 10/10 sorc DD is to do a dragonkind melee build and hit like a truck in dragon form. Otherwise there is no real point.

[fox5s]

Originally posted by Drake:

The usual build for 10/10 sorc DD is to do a dragonkind melee build and hit like a truck in dragon form. Otherwise there is no real point.

I've seen several builds that only dip 4 levels for the Str, Bite, and AC up to that point. But, there are a TON of builds so I can't claim to know everything.

[Hunny]

Sorcerer 6, Dragon Disciple 4 and Eldritch Knight 10 is a fun build for some form of arcane melee caster. Think it gives BAB 16 and CL 28 as Lich.

[Selvokaz]

closest i can be to being a dracolich

[Babbles]

Originally posted by fox5s:

Originally posted by Drake:

The usual build for 10/10 sorc DD is to do a dragonkind melee build and hit like a truck in dragon form. Otherwise there is no real point.

I've seen several builds that only dip 4 levels for the Str, Bite, and AC up to that point. But, there are a TON of builds so I can't claim to know everything.

You are right in what you are going for Fox, most people would say the cut off point for DD is 4, just like Zen Archer is 3 (or 11) - but hey, any build can be fun, fun is subjective :)

[MjKorz]

Check out the robe of seven sins. Its +3 CL bonus was reported to increase CL in a way that allows one to qualify for the CL28 requirement, but I have personally never tested it.

Edit: just tested the robe on a Sorc10/DD10 MR10 Lich and the robe does NOT increase the CL shown in the spellbook window (CL27) and thus does not allow the character to qualify for level 10 spells. The robe's +3CL bonus does work properly when casting spells, though, so I'm guessing it works as intended.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Check out the robe of seven sins. Its +3 CL bonus was reported to increase CL in a way that allows one to qualify for the CL28 requirement, but I have personally never tested it.

Edit: just tested the robe on a Sorc10/DD10 MR10 Lich and the robe does NOT increase the CL shown in the spellbook window (CL27) and thus does not allow the character to qualify for level 10 spells. The robe's +3CL bonus does work properly when casting spells, though, so I'm guessing it works as intended.

Strictly what is show in the 'Spell Book' window as a character caster level in that class is what is required for any Prestige/Mythic advancement .... Dark Rites, Robes, Staves etc don't change that, you are correct. Levels count, only levels, not items/abilities.

[Babbles]

Originally posted by Mossa:

Sorcerer 6, Dragon Disciple 4 and Eldritch Knight 10 is a fun build for some form of arcane melee caster. Think it gives BAB 16 and CL 28 as Lich.

Correct ... -1 for DD2 and -1 for EK1.

Incidentally, although only on Hard, I have made Seelah as close to this as possible, she still smashed things.