Mephistopheles fight as Aeon

[dubs]

Ok, what the hell ? What is the purpose of this encounter ?
I'm on normal and I can't beat him. Dispells don't work, nothing works.
inb4 "hire a skald" or "you need this build for your companions". I repeat, I am playing on normal, I shouldn't need core or above strats.

[forkofspite]

Originally posted by fox5s:

I'm a bit confused. Isn't that the guy that lets you switch to the Devil Mythic path?

yes

Originally posted by fox5s:

I thought you were supposed to go to that location ALONE

absolutely not - at least, not on the Aeon path. I surely hope Azatas don't need to go alone. If they do, I'm already dead man walking.

Originally posted by fox5s:

and then make some super high knowledge skill checks. Or is that a completely different encounter?

If you want to become a devil, yes. The actual difficulty of those checks (perhaps even the need to make those checks at all) probably depends on the aeon's previous choices.

[dubs]

Originally posted by azaris:

Originally posted by Icedfate:

if you're an aeon, are you using your aeon powers, like aeon gaze and aeon bane?

"Can't dispel his buffs", but aeon bane can dispel a buff with every melee hit. unless OP isn't built for melee, of which i have no other advice, because i'm a melee demonslayer aeon. .
i'm just pointing out that there are several powers that the aeon can use and maybe OP didn't notice these powers on the list, if OP is having trouble on normal mode.

Aeon Bane requires hitting him which is why you are trying to debuff him in the first place. Zero State does dispel him but by the time you get it off the fire damage and summons have all but killed your MC. Nenio gets destroyed before she gets a Weird off and even if she doesn't, Mephisto will just summon in more immediately.

Maybe try the fight today instead of giving generic advice or advice based on what the fight may have been like in the past.

This.

Originally posted by fox5s:

I'm a bit confused. Isn't that the guy that lets you switch to the Devil Mythic path? I thought you were supposed to go to that location ALONE and then make some super high knowledge skill checks. Or is that a completely different encounter?

You have a choice of going to him or going to Kenabres, except there is no choice, if you go to Kenabres he stops you on the way. If you pass the checks during the trial (last one is a 52 I think on normal) you can become a Devil. If you want to stay Aeon you have to fight him.

[Zzyl_tsw]

Originally posted by fox5s:

I'm a bit confused. Isn't that the guy that lets you switch to the Devil Mythic path? I thought you were supposed to go to that location ALONE and then make some super high knowledge skill checks. Or is that a completely different encounter?

NOt sure for other path, but for Azata, he kind of invites himself on your floating island

[dubs]

I would like to clarify some things since I'm getting L2P memes in this thread.
I followed this build:
https://youtu.be/q9MoyWtdKcw
I know what Aeon Bane does, it doesn't hit, next option is zero state, can't get it off before he starts nuking and summoning.
I buffed before the fight with w/e 24h buffs I had. I use Gravesinger but it's buffed to +5.
I tried doing the fight both in normal mode and in turn based.
As stated in op, I did not hire skald and use recommended builds for companions.
Nothing works, he is broken. I have since learned that he used to be paper so the devs buffed him but it's too much imo for normal difficulty.

Edit: I haven't had any issues with any other boss up untill this point and beyond.

[Icedfate]

Originally posted by azaris:

Originally posted by Icedfate:

if you're an aeon, are you using your aeon powers, like aeon gaze and aeon bane?

"Can't dispel his buffs", but aeon bane can dispel a buff with every melee hit. unless OP isn't built for melee, of which i have no other advice, because i'm a melee demonslayer aeon. .
i'm just pointing out that there are several powers that the aeon can use and maybe OP didn't notice these powers on the list, if OP is having trouble on normal mode.

Aeon Bane requires hitting him which is why you are trying to debuff him in the first place. Zero State does dispel him but by the time you get it off the fire damage and summons have all but killed your MC. Nenio gets destroyed before she gets a Weird off and even if she doesn't, Mephisto will just summon in more immediately.

Maybe try the fight today instead of giving generic advice or advice based on what the fight may have been like in the past.

or maybe don't be a ♥♥♥♥ to people that try to help.
you would be surprised how easy it is to forget to use some of the dozens of abilities that the game has you to load up onto the hotbar and then you end up with 4 hotbars filled with abilities and it's easy to forget about the ones on the 3rd of 4th hotbar.
I figured if OP is playing on the lower difficulty, it's possible they might not be aware of all the tools available, because the lower difficulty doesn't force you to use all the tools.

I fully disclosed that i only advised melee because my aeon is built for melee and i also fully disclosed that i haven't gotten to this fight yet, so i don't have proper tactical advice.

my comment was merely meant to draw attention to the fact that there are lots of tools in the toolbox and maybe the OP wasn't aware of all of them.


or would you have rathered i just tell them to git gud and then brag about my impossible damage numbers and how easy it's going to be for me when i get there. . like some other folks in here?

[FunkyMonkey]

This fight made me quit my Azata playthrough :D Didin't feel like continuing after only thing that worked against him was "Kill all enemies" on Toybox...

[dubs]

Originally posted by Icedfate:

Originally posted by azaris:

Aeon Bane requires hitting him which is why you are trying to debuff him in the first place. Zero State does dispel him but by the time you get it off the fire damage and summons have all but killed your MC. Nenio gets destroyed before she gets a Weird off and even if she doesn't, Mephisto will just summon in more immediately.

Maybe try the fight today instead of giving generic advice or advice based on what the fight may have been like in the past.

or maybe don't be a ♥♥♥♥ to people that try to help.
you would be surprised how easy it is to forget to use some of the dozens of abilities that the game has you to load up onto the hotbar and then you end up with 4 hotbars filled with abilities and it's easy to forget about the ones on the 3rd of 4th hotbar.
I figured if OP is playing on the lower difficulty, it's possible they might not be aware of all the tools available, because the lower difficulty doesn't force you to use all the tools.

I fully disclosed that i only advised melee because my aeon is built for melee and i also fully disclosed that i haven't gotten to this fight yet, so i don't have proper tactical advice.

my comment was merely meant to draw attention to the fact that there are lots of tools in the toolbox and maybe the OP wasn't aware of all of them.


or would you have rathered i just tell them to git gud and then brag about my impossible damage numbers and how easy it's going to be for me when i get there. . like some other folks in here?

I am aware of everything. You have contributed nothing to this thread.

[fox5s]

Originally posted by dubs:

I am aware of everything. You have contributed nothing to this thread.

Rude! I know this wasn't about me and that my contribution was just some clarifying questions. However, this is uncalled for even if you are the OP. Thread unsubbed. Bye.

[Mr Fred]

Originally posted by dubs:

I am aware of everything. You have contributed nothing to this thread.

So youre aware it require a special kind of bad that is 100% on you to struggle with "normal"? Textbook gitgud prescription...

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

He is pretty simple to beat if you are a Arcane Caster or have Nenio with you. You basically need Ascendend Fire, pre-cast as much Sirocco as you can where he will appear. Then turn invis with everyone and trigger the fight. As long as you are 30 ft outside of his view, he won't spot you. Just wait until he is dead.

Other stuff works too i guess. You always can make everyone invis and send one in to trigger the fight. Even if he sees that guy and kills him off, your other party members are too far away to be spotted. So you can basically use Zero State after he de-aggros.

[Lλmbdλ]

I just fighted him, gain two levels. Maybe your not supposed to get to him right at the start of the act.

[Sophis]

There's nothing much you can do about his fire spells really. You just have to tank it. It's nice if you have spells like false life/aid or anything else to raise HP, like the mythic ability that gives extra hp when healing full health characters, or Enforcing Gaze - Hit Points.

Don't know your level, but I fought him at azata 19 so I had an oracle spamming mass heals every turn. Blade Barrier is also great against his melee summons. Banishment (lvl 7 Abjuration spell) might also work against his summons? Careful with it if you're using Arue xD

Enforcing Gaze - Area Effects might work against Sirocco? Not sure, haven't played Aeon yet.

I see that you're using recommended builds for companions. No one in your party has Last Stand? What's your party composition?

[Zzyl_tsw]

Originally posted by Baldurs_Gate_2:

He is pretty simple to beat if you are a Arcane Caster or have Nenio with you. You basically need Ascendend Fire, pre-cast as much Sirocco as you can where he will appear. Then turn invis with everyone and trigger the fight. As long as you are 30 ft outside of his view, he won't spot you. Just wait until he is dead.

Other stuff works too i guess. You always can make everyone invis and send one in to trigger the fight. Even if he sees that guy and kills him off, your other party members are too far away to be spotted. So you can basically use Zero State after he de-aggros.

While it does seem like an interesting funny/cheesing tactic, i am not sure it works as an azata, as there is a kind of "cutscene" gathering your party in front of him

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

Originally posted by Zzyl_tsw:

Originally posted by Baldurs_Gate_2:

He is pretty simple to beat if you are a Arcane Caster or have Nenio with you. You basically need Ascendend Fire, pre-cast as much Sirocco as you can where he will appear. Then turn invis with everyone and trigger the fight. As long as you are 30 ft outside of his view, he won't spot you. Just wait until he is dead.

Other stuff works too i guess. You always can make everyone invis and send one in to trigger the fight. Even if he sees that guy and kills him off, your other party members are too far away to be spotted. So you can basically use Zero State after he de-aggros.

While it does seem like an interesting funny/cheesing tactic, i am not sure it works as an azata, as there is a kind of "cutscene" gathering your party in front of him

Hmm, the last time i tried him was 9 months ago, when greater invis was bugged and you could just fire on him, without him doing anything xd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ury9dFgsi1U&t=24713s

But otherwise, you can pre-cast Sirocco anyway and summon as much meatshields as possible. While he wields away on those, just run away and turn invis with your party. Selective Sirocco for the lolz.

[Icedfate]

Originally posted by dubs:

Originally posted by Icedfate:

or maybe don't be a ♥♥♥♥ to people that try to help.
you would be surprised how easy it is to forget to use some of the dozens of abilities that the game has you to load up onto the hotbar and then you end up with 4 hotbars filled with abilities and it's easy to forget about the ones on the 3rd of 4th hotbar.
I figured if OP is playing on the lower difficulty, it's possible they might not be aware of all the tools available, because the lower difficulty doesn't force you to use all the tools.

I fully disclosed that i only advised melee because my aeon is built for melee and i also fully disclosed that i haven't gotten to this fight yet, so i don't have proper tactical advice.

my comment was merely meant to draw attention to the fact that there are lots of tools in the toolbox and maybe the OP wasn't aware of all of them.


or would you have rathered i just tell them to git gud and then brag about my impossible damage numbers and how easy it's going to be for me when i get there. . like some other folks in here?

I am aware of everything. You have contributed nothing to this thread.

well then, ♥♥♥♥ you very much, i'll never try to help you again in your struggling to play the game on 2 difficulty levels lower than core and yet you're still having a hard time noob ass mofo.

i come in an take my time to make an earnest attempt to help and you just try to take ♥♥♥♥ in my hand, enjoy your easy mode .


edit : and yeah, you say i haven't contributed. .well neither have you. you just post a rant, that he's one shotting your party with spells before you can even act and you can't dispel his buffs.

i suggested using aeon bane, because that dispels buffs and the response was "can't use aeons bane if i can't hit the enemy".

well then, why can't you hit him? what's your AB? what's his AC? what buffs are you using?

how TF can i contribute more with not enough info?

but you're right. like i said earlier, i'm not qualified to help until i reach him and beat him and then i can share my strategy and then immediately get shot down for "bragging" about my win, so frig ya