Legend mythic path for wizards?

[thkiwow]

I noticed there are prestiege classes such as mystic theurge and lorekeeper... now, those are useless on their own, BUT, if you add the legend mythic path that allows you to go past to level forty - you can branch out to them. theoretically, this should also increase your caster level of wizard spells to 37-36 when you get to full level 40.

so, my question is. if you use legend and branch to lorekeeper etc, do you get increased caster levels? or is there a bug that prevents you from getting those?

[MjKorz]

Legend is the weakest mythic path for an arcane caster. Demon, Azata, Lich, Aeon are all massively better. Trickster is better as well strictly for a ray caster.

Legend can reach only CL28 and even then you have to perform leveling gymnastics which may or may not be fixed by now.

[thkiwow]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Legend is the weakest mythic path for an arcane caster. Demon, Azata, Lich, Aeon are all massively better. Trickster is better as well strictly for a ray caster.

Legend can reach only CL28 and even then you have to perform leveling gymnastics which may or may not be fixed by now.

with lorekeeper and mystic theurge you should be able to reach CL37. it sucks that it doesn't allow you to do that, because legend could be such a powerful class. you get full access to clerical spells up to fifth-sixth circle, extra spell slots, and the lorekeeper secret allows you to even grab spells from other classes that normally you won't be able to use... it should be the most powerful class for wizard and give you a ♥♥♥♥ ton of abilities and spells.

the only downside is that it doesn't have mythic abilities, but those can stay. also, not having access to 10th tier spells. but the lich mythic path only offers three spell slots of that level, so, idk. azatha is good because it forces opponents to roll twice on any DC if you take the right mythic feat.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by thkiwow:

with lorekeeper and mystic theurge you should be able to reach CL37. it sucks that it doesn't allow you to do that, because legend could be such a powerful class. you get full access to clerical spells up to fifth-sixth circle, extra spell slots, and the lorekeeper secret allows you to even grab spells from other classes that normally you won't be able to use... it should be the most powerful class for wizard and give you a ♥♥♥♥ ton of abilities and spells.

Basic classes can take you only so far. Legend lacks mythic synergies that allow other mythic paths to make exceptionally strong arcane casters with unique abilities unobtainable via regular leveling.

[thkiwow]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Originally posted by thkiwow:

with lorekeeper and mystic theurge you should be able to reach CL37. it sucks that it doesn't allow you to do that, because legend could be such a powerful class. you get full access to clerical spells up to fifth-sixth circle, extra spell slots, and the lorekeeper secret allows you to even grab spells from other classes that normally you won't be able to use... it should be the most powerful class for wizard and give you a ♥♥♥♥ ton of abilities and spells.

Basic classes can take you only so far. Legend lacks mythic synergies that allow other mythic paths to make exceptionally strong arcane casters with unique abilities unobtainable via regular leveling.

to be fair, the only thing you really need is extra spell slots. the mythic path also increases your DC to your favorite schools by two. but honestly, with a TON of extra feats and Caster level at 38 you'd probably have those extra spell slots anyways, and you can have school focus for other spell schools instead of having +4, having +2 on more of them. IDK, it sounds pretty good.

[hilburnashua]

Neither of those prestige classes are useless on their own. Taking Nenio to lvl 10 in her primary class then going Lorekeeper is absolutely amazing.

But the levels from prestige classes do stack with normal caster level past 20. Or did so last time I did my mystic theurge Legend build.

Allows you to ignore the need for spell penetration/mythic and does allow for some abuse of greater enduring spell. And makes greater dispel magic an absolute hoser for enemy casters. Hmm, would make Banishment a lot better as well. And the spells such as holy word might actually effect some opponents (and your allies if you don't selective it).

[thkiwow]

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

Neither of those prestige classes are useless on their own. Taking Nenio to lvl 10 in her primary class then going Lorekeeper is absolutely amazing.

But the levels from prestige classes do stack with normal caster level past 20. Or did so last time I did my mystic theurge Legend build.

Allows you to ignore the need for spell penetration/mythic and does allow for some abuse of greater enduring spell. And makes greater dispel magic an absolute hoser for enemy casters. Hmm, would make Banishment a lot better as well. And the spells such as holy word might actually effect some opponents (and your allies if you don't selective it).

ah, so you can get to level 37? but does it give you more spell slots like it's supposed to?
also, lorekeeper is a bit ♥♥♥♥♥♥, idk, losing 3 levels when you only have twenty is ridiculous. with fourty of them it kinda evens out, however and IDC. I wouldn't want my caster to always be one spell level behind. it'd make them a bit useless. but I would try it! maybe it'd work.

[hilburnashua]

I did encounter a bug with stacking multiple prestige caster classes back when I did my Legend build which made it so that the second prestige class adding levels to a caster class was only looking at the original class to determine what new spell you received. So taking 4 sorcerer/4 oracle/10 mystic theurge/x dragon disciple the levels in Dragon Disciple were only giving me new sorcerer spells as if I was sorcerer 4+x instead of 14+x. I bug reported it back then but no idea if the problem was ever resolved. Once I noticed the problem with the spell selection I didn't continue it so I don't know if multiple prestige classes will stack caster level correctly either.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by thkiwow:

to be fair, the only thing you really need is extra spell slots

The extra spell slots are the least useful part. Other mythic paths get the ability to cast spells as move action, advantage on beating enemy saving throws with their spells (enemy rolls save vs spell twice and takes the worse result) as well massive spell DC boosts and spell damage/die boosts that legend cannot compete with. The fact that legend gets only a single mythic feat absolutely butchers it as an arcane spellcaster for multiple reasons. And legend base CL is capped at 28, not 38.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by thkiwow:

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

Neither of those prestige classes are useless on their own. Taking Nenio to lvl 10 in her primary class then going Lorekeeper is absolutely amazing.

But the levels from prestige classes do stack with normal caster level past 20. Or did so last time I did my mystic theurge Legend build.

Allows you to ignore the need for spell penetration/mythic and does allow for some abuse of greater enduring spell. And makes greater dispel magic an absolute hoser for enemy casters. Hmm, would make Banishment a lot better as well. And the spells such as holy word might actually effect some opponents (and your allies if you don't selective it).

ah, so you can get to level 37? but does it give you more spell slots like it's supposed to?
also, lorekeeper is a bit ♥♥♥♥♥♥, idk, losing 3 levels when you only have twenty is ridiculous. with fourty of them it kinda evens out, however and IDC. I wouldn't want my caster to always be one spell level behind. it'd make them a bit useless. but I would try it! maybe it'd work.

Lorekeeper doesn't loose you any spell caster levels. And the ability to take spells from other classes (and class specific abilities like rogue tricks) is very powerful.

You won't get any more spells per spell level per day going past 20 (at least in Legend) since the chart tops out a 20. You will get a few additional spells from the increased stats Legend gives.

[thkiwow]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Originally posted by thkiwow:

to be fair, the only thing you really need is extra spell slots

The extra spell slots are the least useful part. Other mythic paths get the ability to cast spells as move action, advantage on beating enemy saving throws with their spells as well massive spell DC boosts and spell damage/die boosts that legend cannot compete with. The fact that legend gets only a single mythic feat absolutely butchers it as an arcane spellcaster for multiple reasons. And legend base CL is capped at 28, not 38.

it should allow you to reach CL37 though.

the sorcerous reflex allows you to only cast one spell as a move action in the beginning of battle. the extra DC is only +2, and legend gives you extra feats. so you can instead divide to to +2 +2 +2 +2 spell schools instead of +4 +4, which is the same theoretically.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by thkiwow:

it should allow you to reach CL37 though.

OK. Play the game and show me your Legend spellcaster with a base CL of 37.

[hilburnashua]

Legend gets 3 mythic feats/abilities. Not 1.

[thkiwow]

Originally posted by MjKorz:

Originally posted by thkiwow:

it should allow you to reach CL37 though.

OK. Play the game and show me your Legend spellcaster with a base CL of 37.

according to the tabletop roles it should, is what I meant. so it's a bug, IMO.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by hilburnashua:

Legend gets 3 mythic feats/abilities. Not 1.

1 mythic feat. The abilities don't matter.

[Drake]

It has been nerfed sometime ago, CL is capped at 28 for legend, and 30 for merged spellbook ircc.