Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Sgt. Flaw Apr 22, 2023 @ 5:18pm
Best stat distribution for TWF Demon Slayer
I keep changing my mind on a build...trying to do a core run and want the easiest time possible...

I went ranger demonslayer...My question is if I go finesse TWS is there any point in having points in STR? I split Dex and STR pretty evenly with Dex a little heavier...I just did a weapon focus on daggers and was wishing I used the feat for dual throwing axes...but that also kinda renders using a mount null....I plan on going trickster mythic

Any thoughts would be great as I really don't want to be depending on rng late game because of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ build.
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GunStarX Apr 22, 2023 @ 6:08pm 
One of the best things about ranger fighting styles is you don't have to meet normal requirements. You can get the twf feats without high dex. Going strength is usually more powerful thanks to spells like legendary proportions. Plus you get lead blades that stack with size spells.
Sgt. Flaw Apr 22, 2023 @ 6:27pm 
Originally posted by GunStarX:
One of the best things about ranger fighting styles is you don't have to meet normal requirements. You can get the twf feats without high dex. Going strength is usually more powerful thanks to spells like legendary proportions. Plus you get lead blades that stack with size spells.
I put 15 into str and 18 into dex(int at 12/wis at 15)...I read this was the way to go for this class but I'm thinking otherwise now unless I go throwing weapons.

Also have weapon finesse...wouldn't I be better off going reduce person?
Last edited by Sgt. Flaw; Apr 22, 2023 @ 6:28pm
Chunky Apr 22, 2023 @ 8:50pm 
I think reduce person reduces the damage of your weapon by one category.

The main benefit of melee dex is that it's easier to stack AC. for higher difficulties. If you don't need the ac str is better. You probably won't need the ac if you're mounted.

I would just go strength or throwing axes with strength/dex but more dex. Throwing axe range is limited so having a mount is still useful.
Last edited by Chunky; Apr 22, 2023 @ 8:50pm
Sgt. Flaw Apr 22, 2023 @ 10:00pm 
Originally posted by Chunky:
I think reduce person reduces the damage of your weapon by one category.

It does I completely forgot...way to much ♥♥♥♥ in this game...while finesse just adds your dex to attack

Originally posted by Chunky:
The main benefit of melee dex is that it's easier to stack AC. for higher difficulties. If you don't need the ac str is better. You probably won't need the ac if you're mounted.

I would just go strength or throwing axes with strength/dex but more dex. Throwing axe range is limited so having a mount is still useful.

I'm just going throwing axes seems to make the most sense
Lord Honorius Apr 23, 2023 @ 6:42am 
you can go to the tavern and respec if your difficulty allow it
jeem9000 Apr 23, 2023 @ 7:17pm 
If you go Trickster mythic path, you can get the ability to get additional bonus stats on weapons. If you are able to get the Agility bonus stat on throwing axes, darts, javelins, you'll be able to use your DEX bonus to do damage instead of STR. This doesn't seem to work with composite bows. So if you go with throwing weapons, you can skip STR and load up on DEX.
Sgt. Flaw Apr 23, 2023 @ 7:56pm 
Originally posted by jeem1972:
If you go Trickster mythic path, you can get the ability to get additional bonus stats on weapons. If you are able to get the Agility bonus stat on throwing axes, darts, javelins, you'll be able to use your DEX bonus to do damage instead of STR. This doesn't seem to work with composite bows. So if you go with throwing weapons, you can skip STR and load up on DEX.
Lol...this was what I was looking for...I remember reading up on it and knowing I could substitute my STR for Dex for dmg and not just atk somehow. This won't work for melee?

Time to respec again....
Last edited by Sgt. Flaw; Apr 23, 2023 @ 7:59pm
jeem9000 Apr 23, 2023 @ 8:00pm 
Originally posted by Sgt. Flaw:
Lol...this was what I was looking for...I remember reading up on it and knowing I could substitute my STR for Dex for dmg and not just atk somehow. This won't work for TWF?

Time to respec again....

If both thrown weapons have the Agility bonus stats then it should work for both weapons. You can use finesse weapon training to do damage with melee weapons or use mythic finesse as well. Finesse weapon training is a Rogue class skill.
Last edited by jeem9000; Apr 23, 2023 @ 8:05pm
Sgt. Flaw Apr 23, 2023 @ 8:15pm 
Originally posted by jeem1972:
Originally posted by Sgt. Flaw:
Lol...this was what I was looking for...I remember reading up on it and knowing I could substitute my STR for Dex for dmg and not just atk somehow. This won't work for TWF?

Time to respec again....

If both thrown weapons have the Agility bonus stats then it should work for both weapons. You can use finesse weapon training to do damage with melee weapons or use mythic finesse as well. Finesse weapon training is a Rogue class skill.
IDK I have weapon finesse as a demon slayer which uses your dex as a modifier for attack rolls...I just read the mythic version which translates all rolls to your dex modifier...So my original build would've worked out just fine and would've been better off with a mount close range if me and my mount were to have a higher than normal AC.

IDK I'll respec again tmrw...way more confusing than it needs to be
Last edited by Sgt. Flaw; Apr 23, 2023 @ 8:20pm
jeem9000 Apr 23, 2023 @ 8:24pm 
Mythic finesse will work for melee weapons as long as they are light weapons. I thought you were originally asking about range weapons. From what I remember, mythic finesse does not work with range weapons.
Last edited by jeem9000; Apr 23, 2023 @ 8:37pm
jeem9000 Apr 23, 2023 @ 8:48pm 
Originally posted by Sgt. Flaw:

IDK I'll respec again tmrw...way more confusing than it needs to be

So the basic rule is that you use STR to attack and do damage for melee weapons, and you use DEX to attack for range weapons, range weapons (except crossbows and non-composite bows) also apply a STR damage bonus. For light weapons, you can use DEX to attack if you have weapon finesse. You can use DEX for bonus damage if you have finesse weapon training (Rogue) or if you take mythic finesse. For non-light weapons you can get DEX for attack and damage bonus if the weapon has the Agility feature on it. As far as I know, this Agility feature does not work for bow type weapons, but will work with thrown weapons.
Sgt. Flaw Apr 23, 2023 @ 10:15pm 
Originally posted by jeem1972:
Mythic finesse will work for melee weapons as long as they are light weapons. I thought you were originally asking about range weapons. From what I remember, mythic finesse does not work with range weapons.

I have throwing weapons and am wondering if a 3 point difference between str and dex will make enough of a difference to even go finesse at all....and if I do go dex heavy, would it be worth it because I wouldn't need the AC bonus because of the mount that's given to demonslayers....

The original idea was to go trickster and get the weapon finesse mythic dual dagger but I guess I got confused about the rules somewhere and bumped a little more into str then I wanted too....

I do have to say my characters doing a good amount of dmg right now but I think I'm gunna keep throwing weapons while finding another feat path to go down.
Last edited by Sgt. Flaw; Apr 23, 2023 @ 10:16pm
jeem9000 Apr 24, 2023 @ 6:42pm 
Originally posted by Sgt. Flaw:
I have throwing weapons and am wondering if a 3 point difference between str and dex will make enough of a difference to even go finesse at all....and if I do go dex heavy, would it be worth it because I wouldn't need the AC bonus because of the mount that's given to demonslayers....

The original idea was to go trickster and get the weapon finesse mythic dual dagger but I guess I got confused about the rules somewhere and bumped a little more into str then I wanted too....

I do have to say my characters doing a good amount of dmg right now but I think I'm gunna keep throwing weapons while finding another feat path to go down.

I am not sure what you are going for here. If you are going for dual daggers, you can get mythic finesse to utilize DEX for damage as a Demonslayer. The problem is, you won't be able to get the mythic finesse feat until the Lost Chapel and that means you will be doing crap for damage if your STR is low for a long duration of the game.
Yannir Apr 26, 2023 @ 2:04am 
Originally posted by Sgt. Flaw:
I keep changing my mind on a build...trying to do a core run and want the easiest time possible...

I went ranger demonslayer...My question is if I go finesse TWS is there any point in having points in STR? I split Dex and STR pretty evenly with Dex a little heavier...I just did a weapon focus on daggers and was wishing I used the feat for dual throwing axes...but that also kinda renders using a mount null....I plan on going trickster mythic

Any thoughts would be great as I really don't want to be depending on rng late game because of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ build.
If you're doing a mounted Ranger, any Dex at all is utterly pointless. You don't need it for feats, and the mount takes all the damage for you. So going with Finesse-wielded weapons is kinda detrimental as well since they have a higher feat tax and lower damage than Str-weapons.

A few points for a bonus to Mobility checks isn't bad but not really worth investing in.
Last edited by Yannir; Apr 26, 2023 @ 2:07am
jeem9000 Apr 26, 2023 @ 8:48am 
Originally posted by Sgt. Flaw:
I put 15 into str and 18 into dex(int at 12/wis at 15)...I read this was the way to go for this class but I'm thinking otherwise now unless I go throwing weapons.

Also have weapon finesse...wouldn't I be better off going reduce person?

Normally for dual wielding STR buildings, I'd go 19 STR and 13 DEX. The 13 DEX will allow you to meet the 19 DEX requirement later for the greater two weapon fighting feat. But if you go Demonslayer, you can get the greater two weapon fighting feat later without meeting the DEX requirement, however your initiative will be bad if you set your DEX too low.

For dual wielding DEX builds, it's usually best to take 3 levels in Rogue so you can start doing DEX bonus damage early on when you get finesse weapon training. Otherwise, you'll need mythic finesse, but you won't get it until mythic rank 2 at the Lost Chapel. Which means until then you'll be doing crappy damage with your weapons if you have low STR.

As for dual wielding thrown weapons, you'll need STR to do damage and DEX to attack. You can go pure DEX to attack and do damage if the thrown weapon has the Agility feature on it. I am not aware of any thrown weapons with Agility on it. Although you can get them as a Trickster, but you get it very late in the game (Act 4 after defeating Baphomet). So the pure DEX dual thrown weapon build is not viable to play through the game with, but you can respec into it later.
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Date Posted: Apr 22, 2023 @ 5:18pm
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