Rugdur the cold blooded cheater (core difficulty rant)

[sbudy]

This is getting tiresome. I'm playing in core difficulty, but only I seems to obey Pathfinder core roles. My enemies, on the other hand, teleport en mass from nowhere with superior initiative rolls or have gazillion permanent buffs (i.e. Rugdur, which is, BTW, a bloodrager, so he can't cast half of these buffs (seamantle? legendary proportions? Really?). He's taking half damage from magical weapons and almost no damage from spells due to resistances. Just because, not because a KC bloodrager would.

I've probably came too early to this fight. I'm still in level 10, approaching 11, but I can't see how level 6 spells are going to change anything. Dispel magic never works on him, there's no reason greater dispel would. He's immune to fire so hellfire bolt won't be as effective as usual. I really don't see how I'm supposed to kill him untill maybe level 15-16.

[Soul]

pretty sure thats what "core" is.... your the one playing by "core" rules that is.... enemies on the other hand are normally buffed up... thats why normal mode is the default mode and you have handicaps built in at normal mode.... so what your doing by playing on "core" is removing your own handicaps while enemy is still buffed up with everything...

think what happened is that they scaled the enemies stats up because you have a party of 6 people... so thats why normal is "normal" to balance it a bit...

[Soul]

also... think I read somewhere too... not sure where so I cant point out a source... that in other language versions of the game "core" difficulty is labeled as "hard" difficulty

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Yes, enemies in the game do not emulate builds that you yourself can create.

[Babbles]

Demons can teleport in PnP ... They can also summon lesser Demons ... which doesn't happen nearly enough in this game ...

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Demons can teleport in PnP ... They can also summon lesser Demons ... which doesn't happen nearly enough in this game ...

Probably so your game doesn't crash.

And yes, the mobs in this game use cheat codes.

[Karf]

Playing on core without ascended element of your choice on a caster is kind of selfcrippling and gives the impression that you propably don't put too much thought in other builds as well.
Just to be clear, this is not a skill issue but simply missing experience on a rather convoluted ruleset. Core is designed around the player knowing the (owlcat)ruleset pretty well. I wouldn't do a first playthrough on that difficulty or you propably will have a horrible time since shannanigans like this gets really crazy later in game.

[sbudy]

Originally posted by Babbles:

Demons can teleport in PnP ... They can also summon lesser Demons ... which doesn't happen nearly enough in this game ...

Gargoyles are not demons. Rugdur is not a demon. Cultists are not demons. And even teleported demons can't all attack immediately after being teleported in tabletop RPG like they all rolled initiative 20. I may not be a pathfinder expert but I know that much from D&D.

Originally posted by Karf:

Playing on core without ascended element of your choice on a caster is kind of selfcrippling and gives the impression that you propably don't put too much thought in other builds as well.
Just to be clear, this is not a skill issue but simply missing experience on a rather convoluted ruleset. Core is designed around the player knowing the (owlcat)ruleset pretty well. I wouldn't do a first playthrough on that difficulty or you propably will have a horrible time since shannanigans like this gets really crazy later in game.

You're laboring under lot of false assumptions. It gives the impression you're a condescending ***** that have no intention of giving useful advice but rather bask in your superior wisdom and experience.
In particular, it's not my first playthrough - it's the third -and I'm well aware what an ascendant element is, although it wouldn't help me that much with this fight. I need more powerful spells, not ascendant element. By the time I'd kill Rugdur with ascendant scorching rays and/or selective cone of colds/dragon breath/fire snakes he'd already kill my Azata cup summons, my Mastodon, and all my party. Come to think of it, more powerful summons would also help here.

[Karf]

Originally posted by sbudy:

You're laboring under lot of false assumptions. It gives the impression you're a condescending ***** that have no intention of giving useful advice but rather bask in your superior wisdom and experience.

Chill man, don't reflect your own hostility towards me. Yes, assumptions... but with a very clear resoning behind due to your own statements. I mean if you know about it, when why do you write sth. like this...

Originally posted by sbudy:

He's immune to fire so hellfire bolt won't be as effective as usual.

--> if you want to do certain elemental magic damage and didn't pick ascended element till that point, yes I might assume that you just didn't know about it, therefore the hint.

...or this....

Originally posted by sbudy:

In particular, it's not my first playthrough - it's the third -

--> again... how should anyone guess that from your little ragepost? If its your third time you literally know what to expect. Your initial post on the other hand reads like 'What a nasty surprise!". A fact that makes this sentence even weirder...

Originally posted by sbudy:

I'm still in level 10

--> ... so you know about a perfectly feasible way to negate resistence but choose to ignore it (for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles I guess), you apparently know the fight from multiple playthroughs but choose to not prepare for it (you got access to high level scrolls which negate difficulty for example, or you got multiple powerful items to summon very helpfull stuff at that time, or simple skellisummons go a long way to serve as extra bodies...) AND you go there right after Drezen (which you usually leave with lvl 10)... I mean... dude... thats a hard starting point for a reasonable rant...

[Soul]

Originally posted by Karf:

Originally posted by sbudy:

You're laboring under lot of false assumptions. It gives the impression you're a condescending ***** that have no intention of giving useful advice but rather bask in your superior wisdom and experience.

Chill man, don't reflect your own hostility towards me. Yes, assumptions... but with a very clear resoning behind due to your own statements. I mean if you know about it, when why do you write sth. like this...

I agree... post seemed like one that just picked up the game and is playing for the first time... with things like...

"I'm playing in core difficulty, but only I seems to obey Pathfinder core roles"
"He's immune to fire so hellfire bolt won't be as effective as usual."

based on that type of stuff no way anyone reading your post would have picked up that you have already beat the game 3 times...

[sbudy]

Here's the missing straw in your scarecrow - this is my third playthrough overall but my first time playing this DLC, so I obviously had no clue I should not go to Gudrun on Level 10 because I can't pass this fight without powerful spells I don't have right now.

Now, if you don't have any useful advice - and you quite blatantly don't, mighty wisdom and experience notwithstanding - go troll someone else. I'm not impressed by walls of useless text. KTHX BYE.

[Karf]

Nope, since you seem more interested to bath in selfinduced pity while insulting random people on the internet, go for it and have a nice day.

[sbudy]

Originally posted by Soul:

I agree... post seemed like one that just picked up the game and is playing for the first time... with things like...

"I'm playing in core difficulty, but only I seems to obey Pathfinder core roles"
"He's immune to fire so hellfire bolt won't be as effective as usual."

based on that type of stuff no way anyone reading your post would have picked up that you have already beat the game 3 times...

Again. mistakenly assuming I've played the game for the first time and giving useless and trivial advice is a quick way to solve your issues, not mine. If you have any interest to solve my issue (and you absolutely don't have to) you should ask and not assume.

Now, if you're quite done justifying your wrong interpretation of my post and have actual relevant answers, I'd love to hear them. I'm well over your lecture, at least.

[sbudy]

Originally posted by Karf:

Nope, since you seem more interested to bath in selfinduced pity while insulting random people on the internet, go for it and have a nice day.

No, that was you. Read your first post again. It was extremely rude.
Moreover, once you've established your imaginary pathfinder superiority you're leaving the thread, because you never had any sincere actual intention to be helpful.

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Super Cosmic Space Magnet:

Yes, enemies in the game do not emulate builds that you yourself can create.

You can do same things as them, maybe at lvl 20 or on certain Mythics, but still you can do it.
Outside of things specific only to race of enemy, or to specific enemy, that you cannot get from Mythics.

[Soul]

Originally posted by sbudy:

Originally posted by Soul:

I agree... post seemed like one that just picked up the game and is playing for the first time... with things like...

"I'm playing in core difficulty, but only I seems to obey Pathfinder core roles"
"He's immune to fire so hellfire bolt won't be as effective as usual."

based on that type of stuff no way anyone reading your post would have picked up that you have already beat the game 3 times...

Again. mistakenly assuming I've played the game for the first time and giving useless and trivial advice is a quick way to solve your issues, not mine. If you have any interest to solve my issue (and you absolutely don't have to) you should ask and not assume.

Now, if you're quite done justifying your wrong interpretation of my post and have actual relevant answers, I'd love to hear them. I'm well over your lecture, at least.

seems like you should take your own advice.... dunno if you can tell or not but my posts are not "intended" to be rude nor lecturing.... just neutral...

as for answers to your question... in fact I was one of the first ones who commented about the difficulty and its mechanics since that was one of your issues you mentioned about how your playing on core rules but enemies arent... if I was gonna "lecture" i'd have been more inclined to recommend you lowering the difficulty and such....

but you are mistakenly "assuming" I "assumed" you were playing the game for the first time... I only said it "seemed" based off your actions...

definition: assume - suppose to be the case, without proof
definition: seem - give the impression or sensation of being something or having a particular quality.

in this case your post was highlighting things that new players to game have issues with and older players to the game typically give advice on to help new players.... like lowering difficulty and ascendant element that you highlighted as being issues in your gameplay... you made it "SEEM" as though you were new.... people in this case were not "assuming" anything.... you gave them something to point to as "proof" that they could point to that makes it look like you dont know the game very well... if you dont like the fact that your post was poorly written to make you "seem" like a noob... then i'd advise you change it to highlight those facts and perhaps reasons why or not even mention about the hellfire ray and not taking an ascendant element for instance...

but you on the other hand are assuming a lot... assuming that people are being rude or condescending without any proof... if shoe's were reversed and this was my post... things like what Karf said I would have no issues with and wouldnt take it so personally.... if there was a misunderstanding i'd clear it up and not criticize someone for actually helping... even if its not the help I was trying to "aim" for....

also since you want people to ask instead of "assuming"... you said you beat the game 3 times before.... if thats the case.... what difficulties were those times and what classes were you playing as at the time?... and around what level of class and mythic levels were you in other playthroughs when you went to the enemy your having issues with now... what type of character are you playing as now?.... is this your first time playing on core?.... or is it first time with this class or combination?.... or maybe is it both?... there are 26 base classes, 167 subclasses, and 13 presitge classes afterall and also mythic paths as well.... you never said which one or combination your playing or are experienced with...